ROTJ Sidious vs. ROTS Yoda

Originally posted by Nephthys
He never filmed them, so they never had a chance of being in the movie at all. He didn't take them out from a finished product, he cut it completely from canon.

Says who, pal?

He did, by his own words, cut it from a length of about 240 minutes to about 140 minutes. Care to link me to the source that lists the entire cut content in detail?

Look, what makes you think its canon at all? The quote about canon only applies to 'Deleted Scenes' specifically.

I'm not picking and choosing shit, its not mentioned as being canon, so it isn't. [/B]

Yes. You are. The Holocron Database, run by the guy who keeps an eye on the canon, defines G-Canon as "the movies (their most recent release),the scripts, the novelizations of the movies, the radio plays, and any statements by George Lucas himself."

LFL canon policy > your opinion.

Originally posted by truejedi
unbelievable. Whatever is convenient for you I suppose. You are wrong, however.

Edited for humility.

Having tracked down the Borbarads above quote I freely and openly conceed the debate. The quote regarding canon that I had access to only referred to the Deleted Scenes and I was unaware that any other existed.

Though now I really do have to question why the hell Yoda ran away if he was seemingly winning the exchange.

Originally posted by Nephthys
Though now I really do have to question why the hell Yoda ran away if he was seemingly winning the exchange.

To continue fighting, he would have needed to get back up to Sidious, who was again in the better position and had reinforcements in the guise of a group of Clone Troopers coming in.

Yoda had no other reasonable choice than leaving. Anything else would have led to his (senseless) death.

JT
This is just my theory.

It doesn't fit.

ROTS script
YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.

The energy bolts begin to arc back on the Emperor. It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed.

YODA: Destroy you I will, just as Master Kenobi, your apprentice will destroy.

If your theory is based on the notion that Yoda realized destroying Palpatine would only make the situation potentially worse, then why would release Palpatine and then vow to kill him right after? Motivationally speaking, it makes no sense for Yoda to conclude that the duel is pointless and then continue fighting it.

ROTS script
YODA jumps to a lower Senate Pod. PALPATINE reaches out with one hand, and a Senate pod is released from its mooring and heads toward the Podium. PALPATINE uses the Force to hurl pod after pod at YODA, who ducks and jumps from one flying pod to another.

YODA leaps away from the pods. He uses the Force to hold one pod suspended in the air. The pod spins and YODA throws it back at PALPATINE, who leaps away at the last moment.

YODA leaps after him, but PALPATINE quickly turns and aims the full force of his energy bolts at the tiny green Jedi, catching him in mid-air and throwing him back hard against the Podium. The force causes YODA to drop his lightsaber. YODA blocks the lightning and throws PALPATINE backwards off the podium. YODA is knocked off the Podium and falls several hundred feet to the base of the Podium. PALPATINE follows in his pod, searching for YODA.

I direct you to the 4:15 minute mark of this video. Yoda is seen leaping from what appears to be the Chancellor's podium to engage Sidious, who is a notable distance away, with Senate pods at the ready. Yoda's and Sidious's physical locations do not match the duel as portrayed in the script, in which it is Yoda who jumps from the podium to a lower pod; Palpatine remains in the podium until Yoda hurls a pod back to him. The movements and decisions/motivations of the characters don't match what we see in the film.

Wow. Most of us are five year veterans at least, and we're still bickering over what part of the most discussed movie constitutes canon or not.

You'd think we'd have this down pat by now.

Tbh, I don't give a damn. I've just gotta get my mind off of the fact that Kentucky is the only fvcking state in the fvcking union that is not selling Journey's new album early.

One more reason to move to Missouri.

It's bullshit. I'm staring at a picture of a guy with seventeen ****ing copies.

LL: You would think... I read the original attack on the FREAKING SCRIPT and felt like a double-face-palm was in order. We had this exact argument, that ended with the exact quote that Borborad provided literally YEARS ago. we aren't progressing, it would seem.

I may have to go buy it now, just to taunt you.

Originally posted by RagingBoner
It's bullshit. I'm staring at a picture of a guy with seventeen ****ing copies.

Originally posted by truejedi
LL: You would think... I read the original attack on the FREAKING SCRIPT and felt like a double-face-palm was in order. We had this exact argument, that ended with the exact quote that Borborad provided literally YEARS ago. we aren't progressing, it would seem.

That Neph's such a big ol' silly billy. 🙄

it was. we listened to his KOTOR arguments so long he went back and attacked other canon things. I still love him though. no homo.

L
That's a pretty gay waste of money.

Yeah, it's a taunt.

So... Movies, script, and novel... all G-canon. But movies are the highest G-canon. Script is second highest. Canon third. G1, G2, G3, respectively.

If a piece of G2 or G3 contradict G1, that part is overruled in favor of G1.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
If a piece of G2 or G3 contradict G1, that part is overruled in favor of G1.

And the scene in question is definitely overruled by "G1".

Originally posted by Borbarad
No. You just thought about ignoring information from it, which pretty much comes down to the same result, doesn't it?

What am I ignoring from the script?

Yeah. Just because of Sidious, and not because of the group of Clone Troopers already at the side of the Sith Lord, right?

There were no troopers at the time. They didn't arrive until after Yoda fled, it was only Sidious. I also recal (I could be wrong) that in the commentary Lucas says he put the "failed" line in to make it clear that Yoda lost. I'll check when I get home tomorrow.

Everything coming from Lucas is considered G-Canon. He wrote the script. They are G-Canon. That's a pretty simple concept.

And the novelization was line edited by Lucas.

Yes. But Yoda disarms Sidious with his duelling abilities, while Sidious once more (like seen in the movie) makes use of a higher ground position that Yoda jumps to (making him open for the attack). The script gives Yoda an advantage in both lightsaber skill and force mastery.

Perhaps with the lightsaber, but nothing in the script suggests that he had an advantage in force mastery.

actually.. Not really RB....

The movie cuts back thirty seconds later than you are supposing it is. Nice thing about the gap is, there is no way to measure time there.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
So... Movies, script, and novel... all G-canon. But movies are the highest G-canon. Script is second highest. Canon third. G1, G2, G3, respectively.

If a piece of G2 or G3 contradict G1, that part is overruled in favor of G1.