ROTJ Sidious vs. ROTS Yoda

tj
actually.. Not really RB....

Actually... yes, TJ.

tj
The movie cuts back thirty seconds later than you are supposing it is. Nice thing about the gap is, there is no way to measure time there.

ROTS script
YODA jumps to a lower Senate Pod. PALPATINE reaches out with one hand, and a Senate pod is released from its mooring and heads toward the Podium. PALPATINE uses the Force to hurl pod after pod at YODA, who ducks and jumps from one flying pod to another.

YODA leaps away from the pods. He uses the Force to hold one pod suspended in the air. The pod spins and YODA throws it back at PALPATINE, who leaps away at the last moment.

^ This does not follow what we actually see in the movie at all. When the fight resumes from Anakin vs. Obi-Wan, we see that Palpatine is far away from the Chancellor's podium and is preparing to throw pods at Yoda. The script says that Palpatine is still on the podium and Yoda is fleeing from him, instead of what the movie shows us, which is Yoda pursuing him from the podium.

so it still fits within the gap, right? especially since we come back in the middle of this pod-throwin action? All of the above could easily happen before the flash-back.

Originally posted by truejedi
so it still fits within the gap, right? especially since we come back in the middle of this pod-throwin action? All of the above could easily happen before the flash-back.

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No... when it cuts back to Yoda vs. Sidious, Yoda is just landing on a Senate pod, lightsaber in hand, from the direction of the Chancellor's podium in the center of the Rotunda. Sidious is already on another pod, waiting to strike at him. According to the script, Palpatine only leaves the Chancellor's podium after the pods have been hurled. That contradicts what we see in the film completely.

i'll go back and watch this tonight so i don't say something i regret, but i think we are thinking of different gaps. till then, it's off to the bar to try to watch lebron james! : )

Originally posted by truejedi
i'll go back and watch this tonight so i don't say something i regret, but i think we are thinking of different gaps. till then, it's off to the bar to try to watch lebron james! : )

k.
For the record, I could just not be thinking straight. I'm too busy frothing at the mouth over this damn CD.

Just download it.

EDIT: There's only one gap.

Originally posted by Lord Lucien
Just download it.

EDIT: There's only one gap.

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Is there any way that I can edit this thread to contain a poll? Would've been smart to start with one.

Nope. Maybe you could ask a mod... if we had those.

don't ask a mod. only bad things will follow. make a new thread. no one cares if you duplicate.

Are you being serious or is this sarcasm?

being pretty serious.

Yes.

Then I will duplicate.

Originally posted by oaa
Then I will duplicate.

Ah, you reproduce asexually than?

tj, what other gap are you talking about?

insert random joke of your choice about Kyle's mom's vagina

teehee. let me check here. : )

okay, just for convenience, I'll post everything pertinent. I think I see your argument, though I don't know if i necessarily agree yet. I'll think about it here.

okay: Pertinent part of the script:

201 INT. CORUSCANT-SENATE CHAMBER-MAIN ARENA-NIGHT

PALPATINE seeks refuge in the vast Senate Chamber. He gets into the Chancellor's Podium and it starts to rise up into the Arena. YODA makes a giant leap into the control pod. The sword fighting is intense in the confined space.

203 INT. CORUSCANT-SENATE CHAMRER-MAIN ARENA-NIGHT

YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.

The energy bolts begin to arc back on the Emperor. It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed.

YODA: Destroy you I will, just as Master Kenobi, your apprentice will destroy.

YODA jumps to a lower Senate Pod. PALPATINE reaches out with one hand, and a Senate pod is released from its mooring and heads toward the Podium. PALPATINE uses the Force to hurl pod after pod at YODA, who ducks and jumps from one flying pod to another.

YODA leaps away from the pods. He uses the Force to hold one pod suspended in the air. The pod spins and YODA throws it back at PALPATINE, who leaps away at the last moment.

YODA leaps after him, but PALPATINE quickly turns and aims the full force of his energy bolts at the tiny green Jedi, catching him in mid-air and throwing him back hard against the Podium. The force causes YODA to drop his lightsaber. YODA blocks the lightning and throws PALPATINE backwards off the podium. YODA is knocked off the Podium and falls several hundred feet to the base of the Podium. PALPATINE follows in his pod, searching for YODA.

3:26
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFEjcvIRMDo

Alright, now in my opinion, from section 203, this part does not appear:

203 INT. CORUSCANT-SENATE CHAMRER-MAIN ARENA-NIGHT

YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.

The energy bolts begin to arc back on the Emperor. It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed.

YODA: Destroy you I will, just as Master Kenobi, your apprentice will destroy.

And the action picks up again perfectly at:
4:14
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFEjcvIRMDo

Where the script says:

YODA jumps to a lower Senate Pod. PALPATINE reaches out with one hand, and a Senate pod is released from its mooring and heads toward the Podium. PALPATINE uses the Force to hurl pod after pod at YODA, who ducks and jumps from one flying pod to another.

Now, your complaint is that Yoda should have been on the podium, since it says that the "Senate pod heads towards the podium" right? However, since it already says that he has leaped to a lower senate pod, the fact that the mooring headed towards the podium doesn't really change anything, since the next line says they are hurled "at yoda"

The only other difference being that the confrontation with the lightning explosion says Podium in the script, whereas it is on a pod in the movie. However, since the script says that Sidious has "leaped away" already (thanks to Yoda's attack with the pod) it is insinuating that he jumped FROM a pod (as shown to be where he was standing at the break ending at 4:14) onto the Podium. THerefore the only part of the script that directly contradicts the movie is that he leaped onto another pod instead of back onto the podium (which logically he couldn't have been standing on BEFORE "leaping away" when Yoda threw the pod)

My argument is that the movements in the script do not match with the movements reflected in the film.

When the fight between Yoda and Sidious resumes, neither one of them is on the podium. Yoda is leaping from the direction of the podium and touches down on a Senate platform. Palpatine is farther away, standing on a Senate platform of his own and hurling others at Yoda.

In the script, the final lightning battle takes place on the Chancellor's podium instead of a Senate platform. The movements and actions reflected within the script where you say the film resumes do not match what we actually see.

ROTS script
201 INT. CORUSCANT-SENATE CHAMBER-MAIN ARENA-NIGHT

PALPATINE seeks refuge in the vast Senate Chamber. He gets into the Chancellor's Podium and it starts to rise up into the Arena. YODA makes a giant leap into the control pod. The sword fighting is intense in the confined space.

^ We see this in the film. Good thus far.

ROTS script
203 INT. CORUSCANT-SENATE CHAMRER-MAIN ARENA-NIGHT

YODA unleashes a ferocious assault on PALPATINE, causing him to almost go over the edge. The Dark Lord drops his lightsaber but recovers with a BLAST OF ENERGY from his hands that surrounds YODA. YODA is deflecting the Sith Lord's lightning bolts.

The energy bolts begin to arc back on the Emperor. It looks as if the Dark Lord is doomed.

YODA: Destroy you I will, just as Master Kenobi, your apprentice will destroy.

YODA jumps to a lower Senate Pod.

^ We do not see this in the film. Questionable, especially when one wonders why Yoda would release Palpatine after vowing to kill him.

ROTS script
PALPATINE reaches out with one hand, and a Senate pod is released from its mooring and heads toward the Podium. PALPATINE uses the Force to hurl pod after pod at YODA, who ducks and jumps from one flying pod to another.

YODA leaps away from the pods. He uses the Force to hold one pod suspended in the air. The pod spins and YODA throws it back at PALPATINE, who leaps away at the last moment.

^ This does not match what we see in the film. When the fight scene resumes, Yoda is just landing on a Senate platform after leaping from the Chancellor's podium. Palpatine is already in the distance, further from the podium than Yoda, on a platform of his own and preparing to hurl others at Yoda. The script says he was still standing on the Chancellor's podium and it was Yoda who retreated.

ROTS script
YODA leaps after him, but PALPATINE quickly turns and aims the full force of his energy bolts at the tiny green Jedi, catching him in mid-air and throwing him back hard against the Podium. The force causes YODA to drop his lightsaber. YODA blocks the lightning and throws PALPATINE backwards off the podium. YODA is knocked off the Podium and falls several hundred feet to the base of the Podium. PALPATINE follows in his pod, searching for YODA.

^ This, too, does not match what we see in the film. Palpatine jumps to a Senate platform, Yoda follows, and the Emperor's lightning doesn't hit Yoda or slam him into anything -- it just disarms him. Likewise, when the fight ends, Palpatine is dangling from the side of his pod, not pursuing Yoda.

My conclusion is that the script of the fight scene, at various points, defies what we see in the movie.