World War Hulk vs Blood and Thunder Thor

Originally posted by carver9
I love Bada when he debates... so much experience. As for the fight... Thor wins in this scenrio but it will be the hardest fight Thor has ever been in (even with the gem).

Hulk healing factor was nearly unstoppable and he CAN match strength with PG Thor and increase while PG Thor increase as well. The big gimme is, Thor is COMPLETELY invulnerable so no matter how long this fight last or how strong Hulk gets, he will eventually lose. I thing WWH base is stronger than the Thor that fought Thanos but again, Thor can tap into the gem to catch up.

As for the Sentry and Hulk fight, Bada is right but Thor isn't going to bring to the table what Sentry brought to the table during that fight and Hulk isn't just going to stand there and let Thor pound on him like Sentry did. Hulk during that fight wasn't just dealing with punches from an all out Sentry, he was also being surrounded and engulfed in energy that was one shotting top tiers and energy that Earth heros had to sheild against and Hulk was dealing with a massive load of it "along with taking punches from a pissed/non holding back Sentry.

Thor wins but he is going to fight extremely hard for it and might get thrashed in the beginning and probably the end.

Agreed about the outcome, but I still think Hulk can win 1 or 2 via stealing the Power Gem.

The fact is, Thor was more of a mindless brawler then World War Hulk was, who used his head once in awhile (Like against the Xmen, when he battlefield removed Juggernaut, instead of wasting time in a pointless brawl.)

Originally posted by cdtm
Agreed about the outcome, but I still think Hulk can win 1 or 2 via stealing the Power Gem.

The fact is, Thor was more of a mindless brawler then World War Hulk was, who used his head once in awhile (Like against the Xmen, when he battlefield removed Juggernaut, instead of wasting time in a pointless brawl.)

Yeah, he has Banner intellect but that's not enough. If it was that easy to take the gem from Thor, Thanos would have tried.

Hulk would make him fight for it and when I say, I mean FIGHT but Thor WILL win.

Originally posted by cdtm
Agreed about the outcome, but I still think Hulk can win 1 or 2 via stealing the Power Gem.

The fact is, Thor was more of a mindless brawler then World War Hulk was, who used his head once in awhile (Like against the Xmen, when he battlefield removed Juggernaut, instead of wasting time in a pointless brawl.)

I really never thought of that angle. Kind of absent minded of me since Rulk did something similar. It would be interesting to see it in a comic.

Bada's taking no prisoners in this thread.

Thor beats Hulk down

❌ Thor atomic stomps that green turd.

Although, there is the fact Hercules clearly stunned Hulk with a good attack...

Thor should be capable better....

Originally posted by Badabing
I break this match like this: Sentry and WWH basically tied, Banner punched out Bob after they were drained.

This version of Thor was simply wrecking people, very powerful people, without looking drained, de-powered or fatigued.

Based on that, I'm giving this to Thor.

But Hulk was drained simply because it was Sentry's powers doing that to him and not because WWH ran out of energy (he has unlimited supply). Right after the incident, Banner quickly changed back to WWH, sorry I mean WBH, a Hulk that had even more power than what WWH had.

I base Thor winning on how Hercules was able to hurt WWH in one shot.
Sentry wasn't at his best either. We know this because an earlier Sentry (Terrax and Genis versions) was able to destroy worlds with only the mere aftershock of his punches while tremendously holding back. I didn't see any worlds nor any countries nor any cities being completely destroyed with the aftershock of mere punches. Thus that Sentry was much weaker version.

Now a bloodlusted WBH (willing to kill) against BT Thor would be a better and great fight. As Hulk wouldn't hold back (something he always seem to do) and probably hit Thor with who knows what type of power. All I know is that it would be far more than planetary power Thor would be getting hit with.

Originally posted by h1a8
But Hulk was drained simply because it was Sentry's powers doing that to him and not because WWH ran out of energy (he has unlimited supply). Right after the incident, Banner quickly changed back to WWH, sorry I mean WBH, a Hulk that had even more power than what WWH had.

I base Thor winning on how Hercules was able to hurt WWH in one shot.
Sentry wasn't at his best either. We know this because an earlier Sentry (Terrax and Genis versions) was able to destroy worlds with only the mere aftershock of his punches while tremendously holding back. I didn't see any worlds nor any countries nor any cities being completely destroyed with the aftershock of mere punches. Thus that Sentry was much weaker version.

Now a bloodlusted WBH (willing to kill) against BT Thor would be a better and great fight. As Hulk wouldn't hold back (something he always seem to do) and probably hit Thor with who knows what type of power. All I know is that it would be far more than planetary power Thor would be getting hit with.

Pak already stated in an Interview he gave on Newsarama that the Aura no longer had an effect on Hulk.I dont have the link anymore but if you want to find it you could probably google Mark Paniccia and Greg Pak talk hulk.I figured it would not longer work when Reed's tried it and it failed but then that was a synthetic version it's good that they confirmed the real deal no longer work as well.

Originally posted by Badabing
I break this match like this: Sentry and WWH basically tied, Banner punched out Bob after they were drained.

This version of Thor was simply wrecking people, very powerful people, without looking drained, de-powered or fatigued.

Based on that, I'm giving this to Thor.

yep

Regulat Thor could beat Hulk for 4-5/10. PG Thor takes 9/10 😉.

Originally posted by h1a8
But Hulk was drained simply because it was Sentry's powers doing that to him and not because WWH ran out of energy (he has unlimited supply). Right after the incident, Banner quickly changed back to WWH, sorry I mean WBH, a Hulk that had even more power than what WWH had.

I base Thor winning on how Hercules was able to hurt WWH in one shot.
Sentry wasn't at his best either. We know this because an earlier Sentry (Terrax and Genis versions) was able to destroy worlds with only the mere aftershock of his punches while tremendously holding back. I didn't see any worlds nor any countries nor any cities being completely destroyed with the aftershock of mere punches. Thus that Sentry was much weaker version.

Now a bloodlusted WBH (willing to kill) against BT Thor would be a better and great fight. As Hulk wouldn't hold back (something he always seem to do) and probably hit Thor with who knows what type of power. All I know is that it would be far more than planetary power Thor would be getting hit with.

Originally posted by Badabing
This has nothing to do what happened after the Sentry fight. This is WWH and he was utterly gamma-ed out. What happened after is moot for this thread.

Thor busted up multiple characters at least as powerful as Sentry, and didn't miss a beat. So saying that WWH powered back up again after Miek told how it was him, and not the Illuminati, who caused the explosion is not any sort of proof or evidence here.

To make the point further:
Where is WWH going to get the anger motivation to bust into World Breaker mode? Answer: Nowhere, this is a 1 on 1 match.

How is Hulk going to go into World Breaker mode when he's already beaten? Answer: He's not, the fight is over and Hulk lost. There's no reset/restart button for matches. There is no losing the fight and coming back stronger and more amped.

WWH was much more taxed than a fresh from home Sentry, given that he fought the: Avengers, FF, X Men, Military, Gamma Corps, etc., etc....
And I strip you of your "VulcanData" title. You are now Red Shirt #2. sneer

durcan

Originally posted by quanchi112
Bada's taking no prisoners in this thread.

Originally posted by long pig
❌ Thor atomic stomps that green turd.

g_hulk

Anyway, aside from the few people who keep throwing out WBH, and other red herrings, Thor takes this very handily. Props to WWH for defeating most of the MU in a few days then beating Sentry. But Blood and Thunder Thor was on a whole different level. I think most reasonable people agree that WWH beating Sentry does not put him in the same league as Blood and Thunder Thor power wise or feats wise.

Originally posted by Badabing
I think most reasonable people agree that WWH beating Sentry does not put him in the same league as Blood and Thunder Thor power wise or feats wise.

Well, beating Sentry is better then beating, say, Surfer, imo (The most powerful "hero" character Thor beat.) If you compare their fights with Terrax alone, Surfer generally stomped him, but still felt his attacks. Sentry, he just stood there like Superman tanking Batmans punches...

But it's the fight with Thanos that puts Thor over the top. If you can take out all those cosmic level characters, and then hang with him, you're on about as high a level as you can be without being a full scale abstract...

Oh snap, Bada's going all Super Mario on h1. My intervention is not necessary.

Originally posted by Badabing
I think most reasonable people agree that WWH beating Sentry does not put him in the same league as Blood and Thunder Thor power wise or feats wise.

Originally posted by Badabing
Nope, they drained each other from putting out so much power to defeat the other, unless you have proof otherwise. Your reaching saying Sentry wasn't at his best. ABC logic isn't valid proof. Saying since Sentry beat Character X and destroyed Planet Y is moot. All characters have varying showings. And you assuming that Sentry is a herald pwning, planet busting character is a misnomer since he has low showings as well. His more recent 1 on 1 fights with Herc and Blue Marvel support that his fight with WWH was typical. As I said earlier about WBH:
WBH has one feat, that's it. Anything else is conjecture and baseless. And again, moot for this thread since it's WWH vs Blood and Thunder Thor.

WWH was much more taxed than a fresh from home Sentry, given that he fought the: Avengers, FF, X Men, Military, Gamma Corps, etc., etc....
And I strip you of your "VulcanData" title. You are now Red Shirt #2. sneer
.

Also it was stated and shown in comics that Sentry's aura has a calming effect on Hulk. Hulk in his entire career has never ran out of gamma energy as to revert back to Banner. Thus it makes sense that Sentry had a special and direct effect on Hulk changing back to Banner.

Also it was stated in comics that Sentry's power depends on his state of mind. Thus his low showings can now be explained through that. I doubt we would ever see a herald pwning Sentry again as Marvel seems to not want him to be top dog anymore (Superman clone being top dog isn't good for business).

Lastly, u got to admit many characters were fighting Thor stupidly in Blood and Thunder, as if they were jobbing a little. We seen normal Thor bash SS and other heralds nearly the same way as BT Thor did. He didn't seem much stronger to me. If a normal Thor would have landed the SAME HITS on BRB, SS, etc. then the comic would have shown nearly the same effect.

ABC logic is valid when it involves the same characters. I tend to not use ABC logic but everyone here does (Everyone!).

Originally posted by h1a8
I agreed with you that Thor wins in my post. I just said a bloodlusted WBH would be a better fight (not that he wins). I would say that type of Hulk is far far stronger than the Planet Hulk who held a planet together (which is far stronger than average Thor).

Also it was stated and shown in comics that Sentry's aura has a calming effect on Hulk. Hulk in his entire career has never ran out of gamma energy as to revert back to Banner. Thus it makes sense that Sentry had a special and direct effect on Hulk changing back to Banner.

Also it was stated in comics that Sentry's power depends on his state of mind. Thus his low showings can now be explained through that. I doubt we would ever see a herald pwning Sentry again as Marvel seems to not want him to be top dog anymore (Superman clone being top dog isn't good for business).

Lastly, u got to admit many characters were fighting Thor stupidly in Blood and Thunder, as if they were jobbing a little. We seen normal Thor bash SS and other heralds nearly the same way as BT Thor did. He didn't seem much stronger to me. If a normal Thor would have landed the SAME HITS on BRB, SS, etc. then the comic would have shown nearly the same effect.

ABC logic is valid when it involves the same characters. I tend to not use ABC logic but everyone here does (Everyone!).

I kind of agree with this post... especially with Sentry powers having an affect on Hulk and I also agree with Bada... Hulk fought the entire time with no rest along with getting his healing factor taken from him on multiple of occassions. Its pretty safe to say that Sentry didn't fight a Hulk that was at 100% and we only got the chance to see him rest once that entire arc.

WBH isn't needed for this fight because he will not make a difference since again, Thor is completely invulnerable. Take away the gem and my vote would be different.

Another thing I disagree with in this post is your comment on Sentry power. He has always been top dog... high tier. His downfall was his mentality... he was affraid of hurting people and unleashing his power due to the fact that Void would or could surface. I believe that hid fight against the Hulk was his only fight that he went all out at since we see a completely different PL.

Originally posted by carver9
I kind of agree with this post... especially with Sentry powers having an affect on Hulk and I also agree with Bada... Hulk fought the entire time with no rest along with getting his healing factor taken from him on multiple of occassions. Its pretty safe to say that Sentry didn't fight a Hulk that was at 100% and we only got the chance to see him rest once that entire arc.

WBH isn't needed for this fight because he will not make a difference since again, Thor is completely invulnerable. Take away the gem and my vote would be different.

Another thing I disagree with in this post is your comment on Sentry power. He has always been top dog... high tier. His downfall was his mentality... he was affraid of hurting people and unleashing his power due to the fact that Void would or could surface. I believe that hid fight against the Hulk was his only fight that he went all out at since we see a completely different PL.

Actually there is no evidence to suggest that Thor was invulnerable. A normal Thor or Hulk would have been able to take the same hits.

Thor never got hit by planet destroying punches (not even close). All we know is that he was getting rocked by strikes under planet busting level.

Hulk stopped and rested plenty of times (many times). Every time he stopped and talked was rest mode (only takes Hulk a few seconds to heal). Plus his healing factor has nothing to do with him changing back to Banner. If you overcome Hulk's healing factor then you simply ko or kill him. We go by character's history and what comics stated and shown and not by hypothetical stuff that contradicts them.

And no, Sentry against Genis (the beginning Sentry) had him at levels of destroying worlds with mere aftershocks while tremendously holding back. Treated Terrax, who is physically stronger than Surfer, like a child. Then we have a weaker Sentry who is not even shaking a planet with his punches against Hulk while not holding back. Big difference. Sentry is not top dog. I can name a few above him
Surfer, Thor, WWH, etc.

Thor wins this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Oh snap, Bada's going all Super Mario on h1. My intervention is not necessary.

Actually, I'm enjoying a debate for once. I don't get to have fun on here enough.

Originally posted by h1a8
I agreed with you that Thor wins in my post. I just said a bloodlusted WBH would be a better fight (not that he wins). I would say that type of Hulk is far far stronger than the Planet Hulk who held a planet together (which is far stronger than average Thor).

Also it was stated and shown in comics that Sentry's aura has a calming effect on Hulk. Hulk in his entire career has never ran out of gamma energy as to revert back to Banner. Thus it makes sense that Sentry had a special and direct effect on Hulk changing back to Banner.

Also it was stated in comics that Sentry's power depends on his state of mind. Thus his low showings can now be explained through that. I doubt we would ever see a herald pwning Sentry again as Marvel seems to not want him to be top dog anymore (Superman clone being top dog isn't good for business).

Lastly, u got to admit many characters were fighting Thor stupidly in Blood and Thunder, as if they were jobbing a little. We seen normal Thor bash SS and other heralds nearly the same way as BT Thor did. He didn't seem much stronger to me. If a normal Thor would have landed the SAME HITS on BRB, SS, etc. then the comic would have shown nearly the same effect.

ABC logic is valid when it involves the same characters. I tend to not use ABC logic but everyone here does (Everyone!).

And yet Hulk wasn't affected by Reed's imitation aura and Sentry's actual aura in the WWH arc. So I don't see what the relevence would be at this point.

Sentry's psyche is part of his character and thus not really an excuse for low showings. It's just part of who he is and we must take lows with he highs.

The fact that Sentry himself, among other characters, actually stated that he has never put out that much power seems to suggest he was going all out and not mentally or physically stunted. 🙂

And you're still demoted from VulcanData to Red Shirt #2. durcan

I still think this is WWH's best bet:

Originally posted by cdtm
Agreed about the outcome, but I still think Hulk can win 1 or 2 via stealing the Power Gem.

The fact is, Thor was more of a mindless brawler then World War Hulk was, who used his head once in awhile (Like against the Xmen, when he battlefield removed Juggernaut, instead of wasting time in a pointless brawl.)