World War Hulk vs Blood and Thunder Thor

Originally posted by h1a8
Actually there is no evidence to suggest that Thor was invulnerable. A normal Thor or Hulk would have been able to take the same hits.

Thor never got hit by planet destroying punches (not even close). All we know is that he was getting rocked by strikes under planet busting level.

Hulk stopped and rested plenty of times (many times). Every time he stopped and talked was rest mode (only takes Hulk a few seconds to heal). Plus his healing factor has nothing to do with him changing back to Banner. If you overcome Hulk's healing factor then you simply ko or kill him. We go by character's history and what comics stated and shown and not by hypothetical stuff that contradicts them.

And no, Sentry against Genis (the beginning Sentry) had him at levels of destroying worlds with mere aftershocks while tremendously holding back. Treated Terrax, who is physically stronger than Surfer, like a child. Then we have a weaker Sentry who is not even shaking a planet with his punches against Hulk while not holding back. Big difference. Sentry is not top dog. I can name a few above him
Surfer, Thor, WWH, etc.

The Power Gem proves that he is invulnerable. Do you know what the power gem is?

Hulk fought throughout that entire arc... its just that simple. I understand that he has a healing factor but continuously fighting can get to ANYBODY stamina.. no matter how durable that person is.

Ok, you using collateral damage as evidence doesn't help your argument. Using Collateral damage as any type of evidence would make Thor physical might>>Superman, Prime, Thanos, and Monarch COMBINED since he clashed hammers with someone so hard that it sent VISIBLE shockwaves across the universe.

Sentry mentality is his downfall... his PL is your opinion and I'm not disputing against it.

Originally posted by carver9
The Power Gem proves that he is invulnerable. Do you know what the power gem is?

Hulk fought throughout that entire arc... its just that simple. I understand that he has a healing factor but continuously fighting can get to ANYBODY stamina.. no matter how durable that person is.

Originally posted by carver9
The Power Gem proves that he is invulnerable. Do you know what the power gem is?

Hulk fought throughout that entire arc... its just that simple. I understand that he has a healing factor but continuously fighting can get to ANYBODY stamina.. no matter how durable that person is.

Ok, you using collateral damage as evidence doesn't help your argument. Using Collateral damage as any type of evidence would make Thor physical might>>Superman, Prime, Thanos, and Monarch COMBINED since he clashed hammers with someone so hard that it sent VISIBLE shockwaves across the universe.

Sentry mentality is his downfall... his PL is your opinion and I'm not disputing against it.

The PG doesn't make anyone invulnerable. The strength of the PG depends on the user. Some users never used it to its potential while others have. I can be a poor user and you are telling me that I will still be invulnerable?

It doesn't matter how long Hulk fights, Hulk never ran out of energy as to turn back into Banner in his entire career. Comics clearly state that Sentry's aura calms the Hulk. You can't ignore that without ignoring comics themselves.

And the hammers clashing wasn't due to physical might but rather magical energies the hammers can summon from other dimensions. This is like me and you touching two magical wands together very softly and the magic of both wands become unstable and cause a great effect throughout the universes. This had nothing to do with our physical strength. For if the Thor's hit with regular adamantium clubs nothing would have happened.

Also don't forget Superman has hit so hard that the collateral damage was effecting dimensions and timelines, no magic involved but rather pure physical awesome strength.

Sentry's power level is not an opinion for it was shown. You can't dispute the feats he achieve in his inception. He went on and sucked later but it was explained as a function of his mental state. Sentry in the beginning was clearly above herald levels. There is no disputing that. Later he was shown to be at heralds levels though (and then he pulls the molecule man bs).

Thor doesn't need the power gem to win here.

Originally posted by Diesldude
Thor doesn't need the power gem to win here.

More than likely he won't.

Originally posted by Badabing
And yet Hulk wasn't affected by Reed's imitation aura and Sentry's actual aura in the WWH arc. So I don't see what the relevence would be at this point.

1) sentry's power is hard to understand let alone reproduce by slapping together some machinery impromptu and having it powered up by storm (not someone who can replicate anywhere near sentry's constant power output), even for reed

2) hulk broke the thing. during his fight with the actual sentry he damaged him too, but being someone not too far off from him power wise he didn't simply crumble and stop his output of energy.

reed's machine =/= sentry so.....

Originally posted by h1a8
The PG doesn't make anyone invulnerable. The strength of the PG depends on the user. Some users never used it to its potential while others have. I can be a poor user and you are telling me that I will still be invulnerable?

It doesn't matter how long Hulk fights, Hulk never ran out of energy as to turn back into Banner in his entire career. Comics clearly state that Sentry's aura calms the Hulk. You can't ignore that without ignoring comics themselves.

And the hammers clashing wasn't due to physical might but rather magical energies the hammers can summon from other dimensions. This is like me and you touching two magical wands together very softly and the magic of both wands become unstable and cause a great effect throughout the universes. This had nothing to do with our physical strength. For if the Thor's hit with regular adamantium clubs nothing would have happened.

Also don't forget Superman has hit so hard that the collateral damage was effecting dimensions and timelines, no magic involved but rather pure physical awesome strength.

Sentry's power level is not an opinion for it was shown. You can't dispute the feats he achieve in his inception. He went on and sucked later but it was explained as a function of his mental state. Sentry in the beginning was clearly above herald levels. There is no disputing that. Later he was shown to be at heralds levels though (and then he pulls the molecule man bs).

Uuummm, the PG does make you invulnerable. Drax had the mind of a child and not ONCE did he get knocked out or injured while having the gem. The PG makes its user invulnerable... I don't even know why you are arguing against this.

It does matter how long Hulk fought. He has a powerful healing factor but he was also fighting powerful beings that was pressing on this healing factor throughout thee arc and again, he didn't rest. That can take a toll on your healing factor, no matter how powerful it is.

Thor hammer clashing had A LOT to do with physical might. Stop talking out the a**. Show me a scan that states it wasnt strength that did it, but magic. By the way, Supermans punching through space and time was hyperbole. Lois dead body was right beside them when they were fighting along with other humans, cars, etc, and no one died, there was no shockwaves... nothing happened. Hyperbole.

Tell me a low showing of Sentry to make him suck. Sentry was always above Herald imo. He was at a point where he was afraid of the Void coming to the surface which resulted in him running or just taking attacks until he passed out.

Apparently Pak said in an interview that Sentry's aura could no longer work on Hulk. He gave so many interviews around the time, I didn't read them all, but I can easily believe it.

I also just noticed Thor has the Power Gem. He puts Hulk down pretty hard as a result.

Originally posted by h1a8
And the hammers clashing wasn't due to physical might but rather magical energies the hammers can summon from other dimensions. This is like me and you touching two magical wands together very softly and the magic of both wands become unstable and cause a great effect throughout the universes. This had nothing to do with our physical strength. For if the Thor's hit with regular adamantium clubs nothing would have happened.

Also don't forget Superman has hit so hard that the collateral damage was effecting dimensions and timelines, no magic involved but rather pure physical awesome strength.

Lmao. Where did you get that bit of info from?

The irony. Let's forget all the metaphysical connection the two Supermen had etc. that was made clear. I'm pretty sure I broke that feat down to you with scans and so on a while back. You should start bookmarking shit lest you forget.

he'd need the gem biscuits

http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/11152007news1.html

NRAMA: Before we get into the fight between the Hulk and the Sentry, Greg, what kind of power does the Sentry have over the Hulk? We saw in Paul’s [Jenkins] original stories that he could calm the Hulk down and make him feel good, but that was the savage Hulk. Do his powers still work on the cunning Hulk we've got here, or can he just brush them off?

GP: The Sentry's traditionally had the power to calm the Hulk -- the theory was that it hurt to be the Hulk, and the Sentry's mere presence soothed that pain. But that power doesn't work on the Hulk any longer. The Hulk's just too angry and strong. Or maybe his anger is a different kind -- maybe it's a righteous anger that he's accepted and embraced to such a degree that he doesn't need or want the relief the Sentry once had to offer.

/debate

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
http://www.incrediblehulkonline.com/11152007news1.html

NRAMA: Before we get into the fight between the Hulk and the Sentry, Greg, what kind of power does the Sentry have over the Hulk? We saw in Paul’s [Jenkins] original stories that he could calm the Hulk down and make him feel good, but that was the savage Hulk. Do his powers still work on the cunning Hulk we've got here, or can he just brush them off?

GP: The Sentry's traditionally had the power to calm the Hulk -- the theory was that it hurt to be the Hulk, and the Sentry's mere presence soothed that pain. But that power doesn't work on the Hulk any longer. The Hulk's just too angry and strong. Or maybe his anger is a different kind -- maybe it's a righteous anger that he's accepted and embraced to such a degree that he doesn't need or want the relief the Sentry once had to offer.

If we listen to anything Greg say then that means that WWH>Supes and nothing short of Galactus is stopping WWH.

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It's one thing when a writer gives a half assessed opinion regarding a fight, it's another when he clarifies a noticeable point regarding his story. It also really doesn't help your case that Reed Richards himself synthesized Sentry's aura and it failed to have an effect. I think that was our in story hint. It should have been it for the discussion, but that's never enough. Sometimes I think nothing is.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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It's one thing when a writer gives a half assessed opinion regarding a fight, it's another when he clarifies a noticeable point regarding his story. It also really doesn't help your case that Reed Richards himself synthesized Sentry's aura and it failed to have an effect. I think that was our in story hint. It should have been it for the discussion, but that's never enough. Sometimes I think nothing is.

Stop trippin Rage.

You have lost all respect with me the day you abandoned Thor. Can someone else please respond to my post... I completely ignored Rages post.

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Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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It's one thing when a writer gives a half assessed opinion regarding a fight, it's another when he clarifies a noticeable point regarding his story. It also really doesn't help your case that Reed Richards himself synthesized Sentry's aura and it failed to have an effect. I think that was our in story hint. It should have been it for the discussion, but that's never enough. Sometimes I think nothing is.

^Rage deserves respect. To show reason isn't = abandon his fav, on the contrary.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
^Rage deserves respect. To show reason isn't = abandon his fav, on the contrary.

We do not have "many" Thor fans here and when I first seen Rage on here, his knowledge of the character was/is top notch. When I read his post this week involving Thor... I have a completely different look about Rage thoughts on the character. I can tell he was slowly abandoning him but his latest post involving him was proof enough.

Originally posted by carver9
Uuummm, the PG does make you invulnerable. Drax had the mind of a child and not ONCE did he get knocked out or injured while having the gem. The PG makes its user invulnerable... I don't even know why you are arguing against this.

It does matter how long Hulk fought. He has a powerful healing factor but he was also fighting powerful beings that was pressing on this healing factor throughout thee arc and again, he didn't rest. That can take a toll on your healing factor, no matter how powerful it is.

Thor hammer clashing had A LOT to do with physical might. Stop talking out the a**. Show me a scan that states it wasnt strength that did it, but magic. By the way, Supermans punching through space and time was hyperbole. Lois dead body was right beside them when they were fighting along with other humans, cars, etc, and no one died, there was no shockwaves... nothing happened. Hyperbole.

Tell me a low showing of Sentry to make him suck. Sentry was always above Herald imo. He was at a point where he was afraid of the Void coming to the surface which resulted in him running or just taking attacks until he passed out.

So a character never being koed means they are unkoable or unkillable? 🙄

And healing factor has nothing to do with Hulk changing back to Banner. There is no connection there besides your own silly hypothetical belief. Facts are facts and hypothetical mess isn't facts. Hulk has been koed, burned to almost a skeleton, and injured in the most craziest ways. Never has he reverted back to Banner. There is no connection there whatsoever.

It was clear that the magic of the hammers caused the feat. Have you ever seen anything like that done in comics based off pure strength alone? If those hammers were plain adamantium clubs then nothing would have happened.

The Superman feat wasn't hyperbole since it was SHOWN and explicitly stated what the Supermen were doing. Who cares about what is being destroyed? The mere fact that someone can punch hard enough with only pure strength as to uck with dimensions and reality is awesome.

And Sentry has never been even high herald (more like mid herald) since the beginning with the exception of molecule man feat. He has too many lows feats in ratio to his high feats to prove otherwise.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Apparently Pak said in an interview that Sentry's aura could no longer work on Hulk. He gave so many interviews around the time, I didn't read them all, but I can easily believe it.

I also just noticed Thor has the Power Gem. He puts Hulk down pretty hard as a result.

Lmao. Where did you get that bit of info from?

The irony. Let's forget all the metaphysical connection the two Supermen had etc. that was made clear. I'm pretty sure I broke that feat down to you with scans and so on a while back. You should start bookmarking shit lest you forget.

And it doesn't matter what Pak said since the comic made no reference to Sentry's aura not effecting Hulk anymore. In Hulk's entire history, Hulk has never reverted back to Banner, even after the most grueing of injuries. As a matter of fact, reverting back to Banner with severe injuries would result in death to Banner.

Of course Thor wins this. My argument was to make this WBH but bloodlusted and then it will be a real fight. Til then Thor wins this.

You are referring to the Superman Zod fight. I'm referring to the two Supermen fighting. The writer's intentions was that it was the great power of the two that made the feat possible, nothing else. This is because nothing else was given to the story to explain it away.

Originally posted by carver9
Stop trippin Rage.

You have lost all respect with me the day you abandoned Thor. Can someone else please respond to my post... I completely ignored Rages post.

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Originally posted by carver9
We do not have "many" Thor fans here and when I first seen Rage on here, his knowledge of the character was/is top notch. When I read his post this week involving Thor... I have a completely different look about Rage thoughts on the character. I can tell he was slowly abandoning him but his latest post involving him was proof enough.

facepalm

I pointed out that if you take Superman's speed feats at face value, Thor wouldn't be able to land a punch if Clark was not limited by his character and other factors, including comic book logic.

Do you disagree with that stance? If so, why? Perhaps you know of some Thor speed feats that I'm unaware of. Even if we go to the extreme and assume Thor can throw punches at the speed of light, Clark still has superior body movement overall.

This isn't me abandoning the character. What a ridiculous thing to say. Thor still beats Superman.

Rage finally applies some common sense and logic.

Carver feels betrayed.

I lol'd.