World War Hulk vs Blood and Thunder Thor

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Power Gem can amp an individual noticeably, but the amp Titania got was incredibly huge. If Champion did what I remember him doing, the same can be said for him.

I dislike that currently anyone can grab a Gem and suddenly jump entire tiers.

She got the amp because Champion spent a couple of months teaching her how to use it before she went after She-Hulk.He himself would have to have been knowledgable if he tought her I dont think just anybody that picked it up would get that kinda amp.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The Power Gem can amp an individual noticeably, but the amp Titania got was incredibly huge. If Champion did what I remember him doing, the same can be said for him.

I dislike that currently anyone can grab a Gem and suddenly jump entire tiers.

The only low feats that the Power Gem really has ever had is under Drax.

At least it's supposed to be really rare...

And anyone who thinks Hulk can beat that Thor is really lacking in the brain aspect. Hell, Thor had better feats that arc without the gem than Hulk had during that whole arc.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That's what it did. Starlin had Champion taking shots from Thanos to no real effect. He had the severely inconsistant Drax one shot amped Champion that Surfer had trouble with. Making Thor able to take on Thanos, etc.

The only low feats that the Power Gem really has ever had is under Drax.

At least it's supposed to be really rare...

And anyone who thinks Hulk can beat that Thor is really lacking in the brain aspect. Hell, Thor had better feats that arc without the gem than Hulk had during that whole arc.

I really hate that some idiot like the Hood can pick up a Power Gem and start beating the shit out of Heralds. Kind of defeats the purpose of the Thanos quest.

It just shows how beastly Thanos is.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
She got the amp because Champion spent a couple of months teaching her how to use it before she went after She-Hulk.He himself would have to have been knowledgable if he tought her I dont think just anybody that picked it up would get that kinda amp.

Oh okay, that I can understand. It's unfortunately been a while since I read the run -a fun and interesting run by Slott- and I'm not familiar with the details.

Is it just me or was Starlin's Champion unusually dumb? Not long ago I was reading his interaction with Earth and from what I remember of Slott's run, he was intelligent, skilled etc. Under Starlin all I remember was him being a slightly smarter Hulk.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
That's what it did. Starlin had Champion taking shots from Thanos to no real effect. He had the severely inconsistant Drax one shot amped Champion that Surfer had trouble with. Making Thor able to take on Thanos, etc.

The only low feats that the Power Gem really has ever had is under Drax.

At least it's supposed to be really rare...

And anyone who thinks Hulk can beat that Thor is really lacking in the brain aspect. Hell, Thor had better feats that arc without the gem than Hulk had during that whole arc.

Unfortunately I don't remember the specifics. Was Drax inconsistent? I'm just curious. I think Starlin was the only one who used him and every fight I read had him coming out looking beastly barring Blood and Thunder. Even without the Gem, he came out looking tough against Firelord and Surfer. Was he ever punked by someone significantly less powerful?

I honestly do not believe Thor needs a large amp to hold his own against the Titan and it doesn't make much sense to me based on the Thanos/Thor interactions I've read from Starlin. Course, opinions change but whatever. If Thor received an amp anywhere near as big as Titania did though, I'd expect him to put a hole through Thanos' face. But apparently she received training so I'm cool with it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Unfortunately I don't remember the specifics. Was Drax inconsistent? I'm curious because I think Starlin was the only one who used him and every fight I read had him coming out looking beastly barring Blood and Thunder.

I honestly do not believe Thor needs a large amp to hold his own against the Titan and it doesn't make much sense to me based on the Thanos/Thor interactions Starlin wrote.

You're a Thor fan though. That's to be expected. Evidenced by you trying to downplay the gem amps.

Originally posted by Sr J-Bieb
Drax stalemated Prof Hulk with the gem (IIRC). Maxam matched him a couple timea, etc.

You're a Thor fan though. That's to be expected. Evidenced by you trying to downplay the gem amps.

Was it the Merged Hulk with or without the Savage Banner limitation? That's a huge difference. I remember the fight, it was some sort of a commotion in front of a store or some such. Don't remember the specifics.

IIRC it was made clear that Maxam was a heavy hitter in the Hulk's class -confirmed in his bout with Hercules- and was only on par with a non adrenaline pushed Drax. I have no idea why it was worded that way but I'm guessing Maxam was on the level of a Drax not utilizing the Gem.

I guess. I just wasn't sure what you guys were arguing. If you think Thor got a boost as big as Titania, I call absolute bullshit. If you think Thor was amped, that I can agree with. I just don't think it was large. Thanos would win eventually, but Thor would give him a run for his money without the Gem. Imho based on what I've read of their interactions. Surfer would get ass raped by the Titan though. Not really sure why he's so laughably useless against Thanos, but whatever.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was it the Merged Hulk with or without the Savage Banner limitation? That's a huge difference. I remember the fight, it was some sort of a commotion in front of a store or some such. Don't remember the specifics.

IIRC it was made clear that Maxam was Hulk class and was only on par with a non adrenaline Drax. I have no idea why it was worded that way but I'm guessing Maxam was on par with a Drax not utilizing the Gem.

I guess. I just wasn't sure what you guys were arguing. If you think Thor got a boost as big as Titania, I call absolute bullshit. If you think Thor was amped, that I can agree with. I just don't think it was large. Thanos would win eventually, but Thor would give him a run for his money without the Gem. Imho based on what I've read of their interactions. Surfer would get ass raped by the Titan though. Not really sure why he's so laughably useless against Thanos, but whatever.

Maxam actually has a 'win' over Drax.

He got a significant boost like everyone else who has ever held the gem has, just not on her boost level.
Surfer does have a feat where he manages to do what Thor has ever done to Thanos outside the IG series where Thanos was playing with the heroes if that counts... IE trading a blow with him.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Was it the Merged Hulk with or without the Savage Banner limitation? That's a huge difference. I remember the fight, it was some sort of a commotion in front of a store or some such. Don't remember the specifics.

IIRC it was made clear that Maxam was a heavy hitter in the Hulk's class -confirmed in his bout with Hercules- and was only on par with a non adrenaline pushed Drax. I have no idea why it was worded that way but I'm guessing Maxam was on the level of a Drax not utilizing the Gem.

I guess. I just wasn't sure what you guys were arguing. If you think Thor got a boost as big as Titania, I call absolute bullshit. If you think Thor was amped, that I can agree with. I just don't think it was large. Thanos would win eventually, but Thor would give him a run for his money without the Gem. Imho based on what I've read of their interactions. Surfer would get ass raped by the Titan though. Not really sure why he's so laughably useless against Thanos, but whatever.

It was Professor Hulk.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
First of all I would like to explain to you who just jump kicked Titania that was amp She-hulk who lifted Things maximum weight with one hand who threw a arm wrestling match with Hercules who was given his all while wearing a suit to restrict her strength and not even trying.The idea that you think on one leg that Titania could no sell an attack from her is moronic.

This is who Titania fought in this arc and not only did she beat them all down but none of their attack effected her.If this was Titania with her natural durability powergem or not she would have been shit stomp in the first couple of seconds

I don't care if TOAA jump kicked her. The fact that she didn't fly backwards shows that she braced. Durability doesn't always keep someone from flying backwards. Otherwise Juggernaut and many other characters would have never been hit or thrown backwards.
Even Thanos has been knocked around before. Hell Drax and Thor with the PG was getting there ass knocked around too. Thus Titania braced like I said.

Also with the scans you just posted, Titania only got zapped by one attack and is being bubbled by invisible woman. This doesn't prove that her durability is amped. But no need to prove it as I conceded that it does increase it a little bit.

Between WWHs healing and the power gem this is a good long fight. If the gem is dislodged, as it oh so conveniently was for Thor against Drax, then he goes down hard.

Originally posted by h1a8
I don't care if TOAA jump kicked her. The fact that she didn't fly backwards shows that she braced. Durability doesn't always keep someone from flying backwards. Otherwise Juggernaut and many other characters would have never been hit or thrown backwards.
Even Thanos has been knocked around before. Hell Drax and Thor with the PG was getting there ass knocked around too. Thus Titania braced like I said.

Also with the scans you just posted, Titania only got zapped by one attack and is being bubbled by invisible woman. This doesn't prove that her durability is amped. But no need to prove it as I conceded that it does increase it a little bit.

Your a moron plain and simple Titania was spent months training how to use the power gem with Champion she had full knowledge on how to use it. Drax and Thor would only subconsciously tap into the gems power One was a complete moron and the other was out of his mind at the time he had the gem no comparison can be made between the them.What was shown here was the difference between someone who was knew how to use the gem and could tap into it at will and someone who simply had the gem or was tapping into it subconsciously.

Tell you what if it happens all the time why don't you post something comparable all these times that people braced and took attacks while on one leg cause it should be common I mean it is the way to do it right not worrying about balance or your center of gravity go ahead post them.

Titania does not have the durability to completely no sell shots from a normal Jen much less an amp version while on one leg.

I say Hulk Barely AND I MEAN DARN BARELY!!

Not sure if anyone realized this, but WW Hulk and the Hulk of issue 634 are both the same guy.

Originally posted by Stoic
Not sure if anyone realized this, but WW Hulk and the Hulk of issue 634 are both the same guy.

Originally posted by TheHulk
I know,I mean seriously he needs to get angry to get Worldbreaker and hulk had no reason to get angry when he faced betty but maybe the wishing well allowed him To do so..but hey if the wishing well could not get rid of The Hulk who knows whether the wishing well effects him physically??maybe The Hulk from 634 is the none holding back WORLD WAR HULK. So it's actually puts this question when hulk said he was no longer holding back and fighting Betty..was that Worldbreaker or World War?? If it is World War Hulk than how powerful Is the gap bewteen All out World War Hulk to Worldbreaker Hulk...

World War Hulk is the event written by Greg Pak, it's not a different incarnation. The Hulk that exists today was created by Peter David in Incredible Hulk #460 (post Heroes Reborn) and is very similar to the Banner-less version running around after Onslaughts defeat.

"WWH" and the "World Breaker" are the same incarnation. Hope this helps 🙂

Thor beats Hulk to death at his own game

Originally posted by The Sorrow
The wishing well had nothing to do with his power level, throughout Heart of The Monster it was stated several times the Hulk was finally cutting loose and unleashing his true power.

World War Hulk is the event written by Greg Pak, it's not a different incarnation. The Hulk that exists today was created by Peter David in Incredible Hulk #460 (post Heroes Reborn) and is very similar to the Banner-less version running around after Onslaughts defeat.

"WWH" and the "World Breaker" are the same incarnation. Hope this helps 🙂