Monarch Vs. Depowered Tyrant

Originally posted by quanchi112
So by this logic is the lakers beat the mavericks one time they beat them every time. Wow.

Quan, Galactus tech built freaking Korvac, who in turn one-shotted a freaking Elder of the Universe. Tyrant didn't beat Galan under his own powers, the tech he uses likely has better feats than DP Tyrant himself 😬

Originally posted by Bentley
Quan, Galactus tech built freaking Korvac, who in turn one-shotted a freaking Elder of the Universe. Tyrant didn't beat Galan under his own powers, the tech he uses likely has better feats than DP Tyrant himself 😬

You feat arguers make me chuckle. Hey that apperance doen't count because ten years ago this other writer had him crappin out feats left and right.

Originally posted by quanchi112
So by this logic is the lakers beat the mavericks one time they beat them every time. Wow.

Wow. Horrible logic. My point is if Galactus could defeat and drain a more powerful version of Tyrant, what was the point of using a machine to drain a version that was doing nothing to him? Other than as a plot device?

Originally posted by celestialdemon
Wow. Horrible logic. My point is if Galactus could defeat and drain a more powerful version of Tyrant, what was the point of using a machine to drain a version that was doing nothing to him? Other than as a plot device?

Galactus was desperate because his blasts were powering up Tyrant. Galactus obviously respected Tyrant's power hence every encounter he had with Tyrant heavily implied when these two throw down the ---- is going to hit the fan.

I will respond to both of you here.. This is the narration and context that is relevant....

1. When Galactus beat Tyrant the first time by no means was it easy... in fact, the battle destroyed Galaxies just from the collateral damage and it took a long long time. Which illustrates an obvious point... Just because Morales beat Pac the first time they fought.. didnt mean he wasn't worried about him the second time they fought. In fact, Pac won the 2nd and 3rd fight. Just because you win one, doesn't mean you win the second time.

2. Tyrant has been gaining power back for 1000's of years... that is what he's been doing is getting all his power back to challenge Galactus again. Which explains why Galactus feared him which I will get to. Point is, common sense tell us, if he's been gaining all his power back he's now once again a legit threat to Galactus, and has had years and years to get bettter with his power

3. Galactus BACKED DOWN from Tyrant the first time they met again. He backed down and let Tyrant take his herald from him with no fight. The reason HE cited... the collateral damage would again destroy galaxies. This is coming from a being who first is very arrogant and rarely views anybody as a challenge. Not ego, not in-betweener, mephisto in his realm etc etc. Not only is he arrogant but very much in touch with the universe and surely able to sense power levels very well. Surfer can do so, Galactus surely can and better

4. To build on 3... You don't backed down from somebody you are clearly stronger than. Does that sound logical to you? No it doesn't, but you would if you needed time to prepare because of how dangerous a foe is. Which brings up my next point... not only did he back down but he decided to prep AND FEED before his fight with Tyrant. How many times has Galactus SPECIFICALLY fed for a fight? Rarely if ever. Yet, he decided to do so (which by the way made Tyrant weaker) and fed on a planet ripe with nutrients and had him exclaim he hadn't felt this good in a long time. You don't back down, then feed and prep for somebody you are clearly above. He did so because he knew Tyrant was a legit threat to hiim, because afterall he was made in his own image.

5. Surfer who knows Galactus better than anybody and had felt BOTH of their power on seperate occasions.. said what... he must HURRY to the battle before THEY BOTH DESTROY EACH OTHER. Seems rather clear cut proof surfer even knew how powerful Tyrant was.

6. None of the narration and actions from the above were EVER said with the context or pretense that he is a threat.. because he can use Galactus own tech against him or absorb bse.. NOT ONCE. The actions and narration were directly about Tyrant's powerlevel and being a legit threat.

6. Tyrant fight with an AMPED THANOS who PREPPED for his battle with Tyrant... Thanos never prepped for Odin nor even wanted to fight Odin. Nor did he back down from Odin nor have any fear of dying when faciing Odin. Yet, a prepped and amped Thanos (after a decent fight back and forth) when Tyrant was about to get serious... admitted Tyrant would kill him if he stayed. Yet, never once, without prepping or an amp also felt Odin's power and never thought about leaving.

7. Lastly, the actual fight... Tyrant struck a blow against Galactus that did cause damage to Galactus which is clear to see by the noise he made the art. Galactus then, running out of options decides he needs to end the battle. He wasn't dominating the fight and then goes, ooo I'll try this... No, in fact, he was losing the battle and THEN decided to do that.

All of the above make it clear... there was no context. Tyrant was a LEGIT threat stated by numerous sources INCLUDING BIG G himself. Period. The fight played out just as the narration and actions of people prior to the fight... Tyrant was that powerful and clever

Originally posted by quanchi112
Galactus used his own tech on Tyrant further showing off how formidable Tyrant was since it wasn't Tyrant's move initially. Feats also don't undermine on panel comparisons. 🙂

Yeah, Galactus threw him at his trash disposal and Tyrant seized the opportunity. Your faulty reasoning still ignores that Tyrant used Big G's tech, and as long as he used that incredibly powerful tech, it doesn't matter how Tyrant got there.

Originally posted by quanchi112
You feat arguers make me chuckle. Hey that apperance doen't count because ten years ago this other writer had him crappin out feats left and right.

Galactus's tech is more powerful than Tyrant, this has been stated countless time, including during Secret Wars and is a significant power up. Deal with it.

Originally posted by Bentley
Yeah, Galactus threw him at his trash disposal and Tyrant seized the opportunity. Your faulty reasoning still ignores that Tyrant used Big G's tech, and as long as he used that incredibly powerful tech, it doesn't matter how Tyrant got there.

Galactus's tech is more powerful than Tyrant, this has been stated countless time, including during Secret Wars and is a significant power up. [b]Deal with it. [/B]

No, it isn't as it's never been stated as more powerful than Tyrant ever. Tyrant can bend the tech to his will anyways so all you are arguing is really that Tyrant can make this badass tech his badass *****.

Deal with the fact Gaalctus himself was weary of confronting Tyrant because he was uber powerful. Morg knew it, Galactus knew it, and the surfer knew it.

Tyrant easily breaks through Monarch's armor is Prime strength can do so.

Originally posted by quanchi112
It doesn't matter if he used Galactus' tech

Beh, again with your denial. Honestly, I wanted to stop wasting my time as soon as I read this nonesense, but then again, I'll give it a few more rounds.

Originally posted by quanchi112
No, it isn't as it's never been stated as more powerful than Tyrant ever. Tyrant can bend the tech to his will anyways so all you are arguing is really that Tyrant can make this badass tech his badass *****.

Doom already controlled Galactus's tech. Hint: It's just tech, it can be used.

My argument is that Tyrant used that tech to level the battlefield, thanks to the incredible power of such tech. You're catching up.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Deal with the fact Gaalctus himself was weary of confronting Tyrant because he was uber powerful. Morg knew it, Galactus knew it, and the surfer knew it.

If he didn't need the tech, Tyrant could've just not-used the tech, and kicked Galactus, right? I love the fact you could write a psychology book about what Galactus felt and you completely ignore Tyrant's side of the coin. From the moment Tyrant started using Galactus's tech to attack him, we no longer care about his assumed "powerlevels".

Originally posted by quanchi112
Tyrant easily breaks through Monarch's armor is Prime strength can do so.

Oh, you're free to make an argument about that. Tyrant will just die in the following explosion.

Originally posted by Bentley
Beh, again with your denial. Honestly, I wanted to stop wasting my time as soon as I read this nonesense, but then again, I'll give it a few more rounds.

Doom already controlled Galactus's tech. Hint: It's just tech, it can be used.

My argument is that Tyrant used that tech to level the battlefield, thanks to the incredible power of such tech. You're catching up.

If he didn't need the tech, Tyrant could've just not-used the tech, and kicked Galactus, right? I love the fact you could write a psychology book about what Galactus felt and you completely ignore Tyrant's side of the coin. From the moment Tyrant started using Galactus's tech to attack him, we no longer care about his assumed "powerlevels".

Oh, you're free to make an argument about that. Tyrant will just die in the following explosion.

Galactus initially used the tech to level the battlefield but Tyrant quickly countered. It's like saying oh you caught my kick and won the fight had I not attempted to kick you I would have won. You're like a football fan trying to argue if that guy didn't miss the tackle your team would have won. we argue based off what did happen.

Tyrant countered the attack. Why not use an advantage like so I mean Tyrant showed he can adapt to said tech it looks like Galactus can't and he was the fool who introduced it in the first place.

I disagree since the explosion is just a chain reactionary event that failed to even scratch a Monitor whose entire race was being beaten by top tiers.

You know, you brought nothing new to the discussion, only a new way to lowball DC characters and refusal to aknowledge that tech matters.

Originally posted by Bentley
You know, you brought nothing new to the discussion, only a new way to lowball DC characters and refusal to aknowledge that tech matters.

Originally posted by quanchi112
This isn't a rebuttal I gave real life examples to further get my point across. I didn't make anything up so if a weaker character can survive this explosion why assume it destroys Tyrant ?

I agree it wasn't rebutal.

You've yet to prove Tyrant can pierce through the armor.

I find it funny how Bentley avoided my post, but I know why... That IS THE CONTEXT before the fight that illustrated it was no fluke or luck Tyrant won the fight.

Thanks

Your Morales analogy was off, since Morales got weaker between the first and second fights and weaker still before the 3rd fight while Pacquiao arguably got stronger between said fights.

Furthermore Tyrant was also weaker than he was originally when Galactus had first created him, which just further invalidates the comparison.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I find it funny how Bentley avoided my post, but I know why... That IS THE CONTEXT before the fight that illustrated it was no fluke or luck Tyrant won the fight.

Thanks

I avoided your post because it was long. But also, you don't spend your free time lowballing DC characters which you don't read, or reading them out of spite. So let's say, for the sake of the argument, that I respect your opinion enough to let you express it without my intensive intrusion.

Only one question: Is Galactus's tech is uber, right?

Originally posted by Bentley
I avoided your post because it was long. But also, you don't spend your free time lowballing DC characters which you don't read, or reading them out of spite. So let's say, for the sake of the argument, that I respect your opinion enough to let you express it without my intensive intrusion.

Only one question: Is Galactus's tech is uber, right?

Read my post, respond to that context and I'll answer your question. You won't so it's all good. My points stand

Originally posted by Allankles
Your Morales analogy was off, since Morales got weaker between the first and second fights and weaker still before the 3rd fight while Pacquiao arguably got stronger between said fights.

Furthermore Tyrant was also weaker than he was originally when Galactus had first created him, which just further invalidates the comparison.

Ummm no and no. First, what are you basing morales being weaker then 2nd time on exactly? The 3rd time I agree. I'm curious about the second. Would you have preferred Pac v. JMM the first n second time? How about Joe F vs. Ali... was he Joe not worried about Ali the second time they fought cause he won the first fight? How about DeJesus vs. Duran when they fought multiple times? How about Sweat Pea vs. McGirt? No matter which analogy you use.. the point stands.. just because you beat someone the first time doesn't mean you are assured of victory the second time, nor does it mean the winner of the first fight is unconcerned the second time they fight.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Read my post, respond to that context and I'll answer your question. You won't so it's all good. My points stand

I'd offer you a battlezone, but who are we kidding?

Let's do this: I'll take a swipe at you some other day -late night in France-, you won't budge and I'll call you Quanchi.

Or: We can go our ways without name-calling and as friends, I'll do a scout handshake on it if you want to.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I will respond to both of you here.. This is the narration and context that is relevant....

1. When Galactus beat Tyrant the first time by no means was it easy... in fact, the battle destroyed Galaxies just from the collateral damage and it took a long long time. Which illustrates an obvious point... Just because Morales beat Pac the first time they fought.. didnt mean he wasn't worried about him the second time they fought. In fact, Pac won the 2nd and 3rd fight. Just because you win one, doesn't mean you win the second time.

Correct, but doesn't change the fact that Galactus was able to depower Tyrant without the use of tech.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
2. Tyrant has been gaining power back for 1000's of years... that is what he's been doing is getting all his power back to challenge Galactus again. Which explains why Galactus feared him which I will get to. Point is, common sense tell us, if he's been gaining all his power back he's now once again a legit threat to Galactus, and has had years and years to get bettter with his power

So after 1000's of years, he gains enough power to where he can't put down Thanos after a brutal fight, but in just a couple of years after that fight, he now has enough power to challenge Galactus?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
3. Galactus BACKED DOWN from Tyrant the first time they met again. He backed down and let Tyrant take his herald from him with no fight. The reason HE cited... the collateral damage would again destroy galaxies. This is coming from a being who first is very arrogant and rarely views anybody as a challenge. Not ego, not in-betweener, mephisto in his realm etc etc. Not only is he arrogant but very much in touch with the universe and surely able to sense power levels very well. Surfer can do so, Galactus surely can and better

And yet during the actual fight, Galactus treats Tyrant like he's nothing. His exact words were "I destroyed more powerful foes than you before this universe was born."

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
4. To build on 3... You don't backed down from somebody you are clearly stronger than. Does that sound logical to you? No it doesn't, but you would if you needed time to prepare because of how dangerous a foe is. Which brings up my next point... not only did he back down but he decided to prep AND FEED before his fight with Tyrant. How many times has Galactus SPECIFICALLY fed for a fight? Rarely if ever. Yet, he decided to do so (which by the way made Tyrant weaker) and fed on a planet ripe with nutrients and had him exclaim he hadn't felt this good in a long time. You don't back down, then feed and prep for somebody you are clearly above. He did so because he knew Tyrant was a legit threat to hiim, because afterall he was made in his own image.

Yet it was Tyrant's original desire to catch Galactus with his guard down, and it was his decision to find Galactus after he had just been fed. He thought he was powerful enough to beat Galactus. Obviously he thought wrong, at least not without PIS.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
5. Surfer who knows Galactus better than anybody and had felt BOTH of their power on seperate occasions.. said what... he must HURRY to the battle before THEY BOTH DESTROY EACH OTHER. Seems rather clear cut proof surfer even knew how powerful Tyrant was.

Surfer felt Galactus' fear. He didn't feel that until Morg showed up with the UN, which Galactus has always feared to begin with.

Surfer wasn't at the battle at all. If he were, then why would he be worried about them destroying each other when Galactus' power had already been drained and couldn't stop Tyrant?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
6. None of the narration and actions from the above were EVER said with the context or pretense that he is a threat.. because he can use Galactus own tech against him or absorb bse.. NOT ONCE. The actions and narration were directly about Tyrant's powerlevel and being a legit threat.

Probably because before this fight, Tyrant had never used Galactus' own tech against him or absorbed bse. Both of those abilities were created for the sole purpose of allowing the battle to turn out the way it did.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
6. Tyrant fight with an AMPED THANOS who PREPPED for his battle with Tyrant... Thanos never prepped for Odin nor even wanted to fight Odin. Nor did he back down from Odin nor have any fear of dying when faciing Odin. Yet, a prepped and amped Thanos (after a decent fight back and forth) when Tyrant was about to get serious... admitted Tyrant would kill him if he stayed. Yet, never once, without prepping or an amp also felt Odin's power and never thought about leaving.

Thanos was not amped. He had an orb with him but nowhere it is stated it amped him. Nowhere does it even show that. He uses it as a weapon, and mostly a physical one.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
7. Lastly, the actual fight... Tyrant struck a blow against Galactus that did cause damage to Galactus which is clear to see by the noise he made the art. Galactus then, running out of options decides he needs to end the battle. He wasn't dominating the fight and then goes, ooo I'll try this... No, in fact, he was losing the battle and THEN decided to do that.

Caused him damage? What was that? A scratch on his finger? His initial blast right in Galactus' face didn't do anything. Thousands of years of building his power lead to that?

Running out of options? Galactus blasted Tyrant once (which hurt him enough to question his course of action) and grabbed his "hair" once. That's it. Are those all the options a being of Galactus' power has available to him?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
All of the above make it clear... there was no context. Tyrant was a LEGIT threat stated by numerous sources INCLUDING BIG G himself. Period. The fight played out just as the narration and actions of people prior to the fight... Tyrant was that powerful and clever

The fight proved that Tyrant wasn't nearly the threat he was made out to be. He did nothing to Tyrant at all despite prepping for him for thousands of years. It wasn't until Galactus decided to use tech to drain Galactus (again, something he's been able to do without tech before) that Tyrant got the upper hand.

First, offer me a battlezone lol.. On what exactly lol?

Second, I haven't called you any names that I can recall, nor do I intend to. If you're respectful I will be, it's that simple for both parties it seems.