Monarch Vs. Depowered Tyrant

Started by quanchi1127 pages

@Bentley

Galactus has been frightened for his life against Thor so acting like Tyrant who is far more powerful than Thor and a rival of Galactus showing he has the power to beat him is indeed accurate.

Tyrant already had the power necessary to stall Galactus so his power already was enough to make Galactus give pause.

Well being at Tyrant's level of power I think there's no doubt he has the power necessary to breach his armor.

Thor was a threat to Galactus because of the circumstances. Tyrant too, even if the circumstances were less restrained, the highest powers he showed were tailor made for his situation against Galactus, which helped his propose of resisting him.

Now, I think you can actually argue about Tyrant breaking the armor, it may not be that much of a stretch actually. The two things to prove are (imo), whether if the armor is technology based -Tyrant's technopathy being high level-, or whether Tyrant has enough power output to surpass those Monarch faced before. This, can be discussed more freely imo -I'm going ahead to say I don't know that much about Monarch to actually respond to this query, the only thing I know is that his showing against heralds are very impressive, and that I read his fight with Prime-.

Then we have the matter of the following explosion, which deserves a little attention. Since Tyrant is powerful, those arguments can be made. Personally I'd need to read arena to properly continue in those directions.

Originally posted by Bentley
Thor was a threat to Galactus because of the circumstances. Tyrant too, even if the circumstances were less restrained, the highest powers he showed were tailor made for his situation against Galactus, which helped his propose of resisting him.

Now, I think you can actually argue about Tyrant breaking the armor, it may not be that much of a stretch actually. The two things to prove are (imo), whether if the armor is technology based -Tyrant's technopathy being high level-, or whether Tyrant has enough power output to surpass those Monarch faced before. This, can be discussed more freely imo -I'm going ahead to say I don't know that much about Monarch to actually respond to this query, the only thing I know is that his showing against heralds are very impressive, and that I read his fight with Prime-.

Then we have the matter of the following explosion, which deserves a little attention. Since Tyrant is powerful, those arguments can be made. Personally I'd need to read arena to properly continue in those directions.

Yes, Thor was but his power level is far less than Tyrant's so it makes sense that a less powerful character can defeat Galactus like Tyrant.

Well if you read his fight with Prime then you know enough since neither character has even been challenged by a herald or group of heralds.

The following explosion didn't harm a Monitor or his shield.

Originally posted by iceman24567
This doesn't even make sense...

I know, plus the same can be said about Monarch.

Bentley that was a good response, while I don't agree with some of it, it was a good response and those are appreciated.

I think you're missing two key points though Bentley...

First, Tyrant IS a threat to Galactus NOT because of his Tecnopath abilities nor his absorption. Those are abilities he has that makes him a formiidable opponent, but not THE reason he was a threat to Galactus. The reason he was and this was made clear in narration after narration about his orgin and later narration which continued to make the point. He was made in Galactus's IMAGE. He was meant to be an EQUAL of Galactus. You keep on glancing over this point, but it's the MAIN reason he is a threat. Think about it this way... I PAC made a clone of himself to be just as powerful as himself.. Would he be a threat because of his viscious left hand or speed or would the MAIN OVERALL reason he is a threat be because he was made in HIS IMAGE TO BE ON HIS LEVEL. No matter how you try and make it about certain abilities can never ever replace the fact that it comes down to his origin. This is why Galactus feared confronting him and took the actions he did. Never ONCE was it stated he did so because he was a tecnopath or because he could absorb BSE.. Never once. He was a threat because of his orgin AND powerlevel. The fact that he had been regaining all his power back and likely getting better with his powers or developing new ones made him even more formidable.

The next point you're missing is that EVERY comic book character is a threat because of their abilities. This is NOTHING new or exclusive to Tyrant. Is Superman a threat to DS because of his speed, strength and h2h skills? YES. Is sabertooth a threat to wolverine because of his strength and h2h skills. YES. However, that doesn't mitigate them from being a overall threat just because you name ways in which they are. That only reinforces the point.

The facts that can never be gotten around are these... narration and action after action make it clear Tyrant was a threat to Galactus and he feared a confrontation with him. He backed down.. he prepped.. he had morg get the UN just in case... All these things make it clear beyond a shadow of a doubt it was because of his orgin and thus by default how powerful he was. Never ONCE was it stated it was because he was a tecnopath or can absorb BSE. If it did, you may have a point, but even then it wouldn't be much of one considering that is true for every comic book character. It doesn't matter which abilities were used and which weren't. That is irrelevant to powerlevels and being a threat. If superman use h2h to beat DS.. we don't go he only won because of h2h.... well duh.. that is what he does... that is what makes him a threat.. that doesn't minimize nor take away the win because he won that way. Same with Tyrant. It really couldn't be more clear than that

Still Tyrant