Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
First, offer me a battlezone lol.. On what exactly lol?Second, I haven't called you any names that I can recall, nor do I intend to. If you're respectful I will be, it's that simple for both parties it seems.
Well, someone already stole my thunder, but I'll try to follow up tomorrow, see you around. 👆
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Ummm no and no. First, what are you basing morales being weaker then 2nd time on exactly? The 3rd time I agree. I'm curious about the second. Would you have preferred Pac v. JMM the first n second time? How about Joe F vs. Ali... was he Joe not worried about Ali the second time they fought cause he won the first fight? How about DeJesus vs. Duran when they fought multiple times? How about Sweat Pea vs. McGirt? No matter which analogy you use.. the point stands.. just because you beat someone the first time doesn't mean you are assured of victory the second time, nor does it mean the winner of the first fight is unconcerned the second time they fight.
Before the second fight he had lost a one sided fight to the unheralded Rahim and looked awful. The second problem with that analogy and the rest of the boxing analogies is that Tyrant was weaker than he'd been before.
Originally posted by celestialdemon
Correct, but doesn't change the fact that Galactus was able to depower Tyrant without the use of tech.So after 1000's of years, he gains enough power to where he can't put down Thanos after a brutal fight, but in just a couple of years after that fight, he now has enough power to challenge Galactus?
And yet during the actual fight, Galactus treats Tyrant like he's nothing. His exact words were "I destroyed more powerful foes than you before this universe was born."
Yet it was Tyrant's original desire to catch Galactus with his guard down, and it was his decision to find Galactus after he had just been fed. He thought he was powerful enough to beat Galactus. Obviously he thought wrong, at least not without PIS.
Surfer felt Galactus' fear. He didn't feel that until Morg showed up with the UN, which Galactus has always feared to begin with.
Surfer wasn't at the battle at all. If he were, then why would he be worried about them destroying each other when Galactus' power had already been drained and couldn't stop Tyrant?
Probably because before this fight, Tyrant had never used Galactus' own tech against him or absorbed bse. Both of those abilities were created for the sole purpose of allowing the battle to turn out the way it did.
Thanos was not amped. He had an orb with him but nowhere it is stated it amped him. Nowhere does it even show that. He uses it as a weapon, and mostly a physical one.
Caused him damage? What was that? A scratch on his finger? His initial blast right in Galactus' face didn't do anything. Thousands of years of building his power lead to that?
Running out of options? Galactus blasted Tyrant once (which hurt him enough to question his course of action) and grabbed his "hair" once. That's it. Are those all the options a being of Galactus' power has available to him?
The fight proved that Tyrant wasn't nearly the threat he was made out to be. He did nothing to Tyrant at all despite prepping for him for thousands of years. It wasn't until Galactus decided to use tech to drain Galactus (again, something he's been able to do without tech before) that Tyrant got the upper hand.
I'm curious, what disputes the fact that it was a long hard fought battle which lasted years before Galctus was finally able to win? Nothing. I'm curious though.. what are you basing him not needing tech to do something.
A brutal fight? What was brutal about it exactly? It lasted far fewer panels than the Odin vs. Thanos fight. Thanos PREPPED to fight Tyrant.. Didn't prep to fight Odin, shoot he didn't even want to fight Odin. He was amped which was made clear by the artwork that SHOWED IT GLOWING and RADIATING energy when he was firing blasts. When it wasn't used it was clear and lifeless.. like when they locked up in a test of strength. Then it was used.. when he blasted Tyrant it most certainly was via clear artwork in both situations. So a prepped and amped THanos admits Tyrant would kill him once he got serious and left. Yet, having also felt Odin's power nad not prepped nor amped and after a longer fight never once thought about leaving. That speaks volumes about who Thanos feared more and a clear indication of Tyrant's powerlevel
Treats him like nothing... you mean the part where Tyrant actually landed more attacks then Galactus did? Did you even read the fight?
Your logic is terrible, so now characters have to use all their abilites or the fight is null and void in your mind? Sorry but that goes against forum rules and logic. If we used your methodology we'd throw up 95% of all comic book fights. Just because Galactus didn't use other abilities doesn't mean we can say the fight was invalid. Galactus felt like he ran out of options and the writer conveyed that exact point.
You further proved my point, he caught galactus after he had just fed and after that even weakend him because he still knew he could take him... and that is EXACTLY what happeend.
Those aren't created powers... WHERE on God's green earth do you get that from. BOTH Galactus and Tyrant can absorb BSE energy.. period. Ya know since Tyrant is like is son/brother and MADE IN HIS IMAGE. The only difference is Tyrant is a better tecnopath than Galactus... That isn't a made up power... he's always had that power.
The fight proved EXACTLY what the narration and fear and build up was all about. They built up Tyrant to be a legit threat to galactus. Ya know because he was made in his image to be an equal.. and ya know cause Tyrant has been gaining all the power he had lost back and prepping to face Galactus.. Hmmm seems clear he would be a legit threat to Galactus and the battle played out just like that. You can't get around the fact that the actions and words of numerous characters make it clear Tyrant is powerful and a legit threat... guess what... the battle turned out to back up that fear.
Originally posted by Allankles
Before the second fight he had lost a one sided fight to the unheralded Rahim and looked awful. The second problem with that analogy and the rest of the boxing analogies is that Tyrant was weaker than he'd been before.
Do I need to name all the times a fighter has taken an opponent lightly because they are a nobody.. only to turn around and win a big fight when they prepare for a solid foe?
Furthermore, Tyrant had been regaining all the power Galatus took from him for 1000's of years. That IS what he has been doing. Not only gaining it all back, but preparing to fight Galactus again, and one would assume getting better with his powers.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm curious, what disputes the fact that it was a long hard fought battle which lasted years before Galctus was finally able to win? Nothing. I'm curious though.. what are you basing him not needing tech to do something.
On the actual artist depiction of the fight. When Thanos is explaining the story and says Galactus won and reduced Tyrant to is current state, it shows Galactus holding Tyrant in the palm of his hand and blasting him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
A brutal fight? What was brutal about it exactly? It lasted far fewer panels than the Odin vs. Thanos fight. Thanos PREPPED to fight Tyrant.. Didn't prep to fight Odin, shoot he didn't even want to fight Odin. He was amped which was made clear by the artwork that SHOWED IT GLOWING and RADIATING energy when he was firing blasts. When it wasn't used it was clear and lifeless.. like when they locked up in a test of strength. Then it was used.. when he blasted Tyrant it most certainly was via clear artwork in both situations. So a prepped and amped THanos admits Tyrant would kill him once he got serious and left. Yet, having also felt Odin's power nad not prepped nor amped and after a longer fight never once thought about leaving. That speaks volumes about who Thanos feared more and a clear indication of Tyrant's powerlevel
Thanos was there specifically to steal the orb and test himself against Tyrant. He succeeded and saw no further reason to continue. He even stated exactly that, saying that he won. With Odin, that wasn't the case. His goal was to subdue Odin in order to get him to help Thor. He was obviously failing to do that. In fact, Thanos did even less damage to Odin than he did to Tyrant.
So what if the orb was glowing. When Thanos shot Tyrant, Tyrant noted that Thanos was more powerful than the others had faced. Nothing about his strength being augmented in any way.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Treats him like nothing... you mean the part where Tyrant actually landed more attacks then Galactus did? Did you even read the fight?
I did. Post scans of where you think Tyrant was doing anything to Galactus other than annoying him.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Your logic is terrible, so now characters have to use all their abilites or the fight is null and void in your mind? Sorry but that goes against forum rules and logic. If we used your methodology we'd throw up 95% of all comic book fights. Just because Galactus didn't use other abilities doesn't mean we can say the fight was invalid. Galactus felt like he ran out of options and the writer conveyed that exact point.
No, they don't have to use all of their abilities in a fight. That's not what I'm saying. However, that's what you are implying. People don't run out of options unless they've tried everything they can. Galactus obviously hadn't.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
You further proved my point, he caught galactus after he had just fed and after that even weakend him because he still knew he could take him... and that is EXACTLY what happeend.
No, he didn't know that. He felt like he could, but that doesn't mean he could.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Those aren't created powers... WHERE on God's green earth do you get that from. BOTH Galactus and Tyrant can absorb BSE energy.. period. Ya know since Tyrant is like is son/brother and MADE IN HIS IMAGE. The only difference is Tyrant is a better tecnopath than Galactus... That isn't a made up power... he's always had that power.
Really? Then what happened during their first fight when they hit each other with all kinds of energy blasts, yet neither one were absorbing them. Seems like those blasts were hurting each other pretty well.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
The fight proved EXACTLY what the narration and fear and build up was all about. They built up Tyrant to be a legit threat to galactus. Ya know because he was made in his image to be an equal.. and ya know cause Tyrant has been gaining all the power he had lost back and prepping to face Galactus.. Hmmm seems clear he would be a legit threat to Galactus and the battle played out just like that. You can't get around the fact that the actions and words of numerous characters make it clear Tyrant is powerful and a legit threat... guess what... the battle turned out to back up that fear.
The fight proved exactly the opposite of what the hype was all about. No galaxies were destroyed, and there was no serious collateral damage. Hell, Galactus didn't even look worse for wear until after the power drain happened.
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Do I need to name all the times a fighter has taken an opponent lightly because they are a nobody.. only to turn around and win a big fight when they prepare for a solid foe?Furthermore, Tyrant had been regaining all the power Galatus took from him for 1000's of years. That IS what he has been doing. Not only gaining it all back, but preparing to fight Galactus again, and one would assume getting better with his powers.
And where was I in error in stating that Tyrant was weaker than he'd been before? As Galactus' herald? That disqualifies all those boxing analogies.