Re: Doctor Octopus vs Omega Red
Originally posted by cdtm
Oct gets a gas mask.Who wins?
This is a surprisingly natural match-up that I'm surprised no one thought of before this thread. Been thinking of this one since the first X-Men arcade games came out ...
Purpose of the gas mask is to filter Arkady's Death Spores.
If they don't do the job, Ock's tentacles do indeed have the ability to blow away airborne pollutants.
If I recall right, the Amazing Spider-Man issue where Ock stole what was called the Ultimate Nullifier proved he is able to create winds fast enough to bowl a man over; certainly enough to keep spores at bay.
Think this was around the mid #50s ...
If not, just say the battle is taking place outdoors on a boat at sea during a storm or something with the 2 villains making a getaway. That satisfies the Original Posters intentions, too.
So would simply having Arkady (Omega Red) refrain from using his Death Spores and just fighting Ock conventionally.
Last I've seen of Ock or read about him, he's got Carbanium or Carbanadium tentacles, too. Moreover he's got 8 now instead of 4 of them. If he has the same type of control over these as his previous set, and these are indeed Carbanadium, they are durable enough to withstand Arkady's own. Heck, there's a chance they would nullify Arkady's spores if he DID decide to use them; Carbanadium is precisely the metal Omega Red was looking for to keep his "death factor" in CHECK in nearly all previous appearances.
At any rate, with tentacles enough to neutralize Omega Red's own (that would only take 2), and 2 more to breeze away death spores, and then still the 4 remaining to fight Arkady physically, this match should go to Ock, in perhaps 7 of 10 cases.
Roughly even split if Ock's only got the 4 again but the death spores are kept at bay.
Re: Re: Doctor Octopus vs Omega Red
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Heck, there's a chance they would nullify Arkady's spores if he DID decide to use them; Carbanadium is precisely the metal Omega Red was looking for to keep his "death factor" in CHECK in nearly all previous appearances.
Carbonadium is not what Arkady uses to keep his Death Factor in check. The implants are radioactive and constantly poisoning him, on top of that his Death Factor is as well. If he got the Carbonadium Synthesizer, it would cleanse the metal in his system and cure him of both his radiation poisoning and allow him to control his spores.
Re: Re: Re: Doctor Octopus vs Omega Red
Originally posted by KingD19
Carbonadium is not what Arkady uses to keep his Death Factor in check. The implants are radioactive and constantly poisoning him, on top of that his Death Factor is as well. If he got the Carbonadium Synthesizer, it would cleanse the metal in his system and cure him of both his radiation poisoning and allow him to control his spores.
Sir, with all due respect, you are reading something wrong.
Carbonadium is what the Synthesizer MAKES.
That's why it's called a synthesizer.
That metal is WHAT it busies itself with making.
Think of it this way:
Even as, say, iron is actually present in your blood, and you need continual ingestion of trace amounts of it to keep healthy, so too Arkady needs certain amounts of Carbonadium to keep healthy.
That metal is what neutralizes his death factor.
Here, perhaps this image taken from Ankur's album in the Omega Red respect thread on these forums will do a better job than I have:
Re: Re: Re: Re: Doctor Octopus vs Omega Red
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Sir, with all due respect, you are reading something wrong.Carbonadium is what the Synthesizer MAKES.
That's why it's called a synthesizer.
That metal is WHAT it busies itself with making.Think of it this way:
Even as, say, iron is actually present in your blood, and you need continual ingestion of trace amounts of it to keep healthy, so too Arkady needs certain amounts of Carbonadium to keep healthy.
That metal is what neutralizes his death factor.Here, perhaps this image taken from Ankur's album in the Omega Red respect thread on these forums will do a better job than I have:
Handbooks are wrong quite often. Carbonadium DOES NOT neutralize his death factor... in fact, it's a conduit for it, allowing him to life-drain his victims via contact.
Carbonadium synthesizer was needed to deal with the radiation Red's implants were giving off. And he got it before his death.
Doctor Octopus vs Omega Red
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Handbooks are wrong quite often. Carbonadium DOES NOT neutralize his death factor... in fact, it's a conduit for it, allowing him to life-drain his victims via contact.Carbonadium synthesizer was needed to deal with the radiation Red's implants were giving off. And he got it before his death.
It'd be awesome if somebody presented the relevant pages from X-Men #5 (1991/1992) here.
Step up somebody -- we can't do better than Wikipedia until that time:
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"Only a device known as the Carbonadium Synthesizer can stabilize his condition, as carbonadium is the only metal that can neutralize the "death factor," thereby stabilizing it within his body ..."
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Re: Re: Doctor Octopus vs Omega Red
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Ock's tentacles do indeed have the ability to blow away airborne pollutants.If I recall right, the Amazing Spider-Man issue where Ock stole what was called the Ultimate Nullifier proved he is able to create winds fast enough to bowl a man over; certainly enough to keep spores at bay.
Think this was around the mid #50s ...