bluewaterrider
Senior Member
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I'm only human, Blue. It's funny that I typed "Ock's pheromones", though.
Only half of me is serious when I post something like that.
The serious point, however, is that most people tend to read very fast, post just as fast, and not stop and consider they might be mistaken.
Obviously I don't think you are confused to the point of thinking Ock is a physical danger to himself, but I do think you've failed even now to think on WHY Red needs C-synth to begin with.
It might BE that Wolverine😮rigins (W.O.), or something else you read, contradicts what I read in X-Men #5.
But if W.O. does say what you think, it IS a direct contradiction to what I remember X-Men #5 says.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I noticed that - at least in this thread - you're using evidence from classic comics.
Most of what I know of Omega Red comes from his appearances in the 1990s. And Doctor Octopus, as far as I know, has only received upgrades since that time, more arms, more sophisticated control of them, body armor, etcetera.
Exception of course being, as pointed out earlier, that the adamantium set I thought was Ock's own was appropriated, not standard for him.
At any rate, if Ock's classic adamantium-less yesteryear form can handle a threat, I have little reason to think more modern and improved versions would fail the task.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
you should know that even hazmat suits (that has gas masks included) didn't protect their users from Red's Death Factor.
That has the ring of PIS and makes little, if any sense; no disrespect intended to you; you didn't write that scene.
Having said that, too, I would point out that Omega Red was brought back by Hand ninja clan ritual, not entirely on his own.
Which may or may not be significant considering I have ALSO seen the "Great Beast" that the Hand serves claim the lives of nearby people when the requirements of a particular ritual were not properly fulfilled.
Seemed nearly identical to what happened to Red's unintended victims.
Did that happen here? I don't know. The ritual I'm remembering where this happened, was, oddly enough, a resurrection performed on Doctor Octopus, who'd been killed by the Spider-Man villain Kaine.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
if that fails, Red could ... just remove [the gas mask] from Octavius.
This is a much better and more realistic objection.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
Carbonadium is radioactive, it was used to reduce Daken's and Wolverine's HF, too.
Perhaps the carbonadium problem is a matter of scale?
For the mere fact of something being radioactive doesn't change the fact of it being beneficial or even required for proper health.
The human body itself, for instance, contains radioactive elements
(see link).
Key is that these are present in SMALL amounts in the body.
Perhaps the writer of X-Men #5 had that theory in mind and larger amounts of carbonadium are, indeed, poisonous to Red and others?
There's an ocean of difference between a substance doled out in terms of milligrams or even micrograms, and one supplied in terms of ounces and poundage.
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/biology/human-periodic-elements.htm
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
I recently posted scans of classic Spidey tearing off Ock's tentacles. All four of them. Stark has stated that OR possesses a Thing-level strength, so it shouldn't be hard for him to replicate that feat.
Except for one thing. Omega Red doesn't have Spider-man speed.
Ock's not going to be standing there like a statue.
Moreover, no one's going to tell me that a man put to heel by the physical offensive of Psylocke (again that X-Men #5 story arc),
is going to lightly endure the wall-smashing punches of Ock.
If Ock's not fighting BACK in your scenario, sure, Omega Red has a good chance to rip Ock's tentacles apart.
Without that, no, I don't see that happening.
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Understand, I think Ock without protection against Death Factor loses horribly, fatally, and absolutely.
And any battle where Omega Red does NOT use Death Factor, or where environment negates it, or where Ock has some protection and precaution against it, has ample winning chances for Red as well.
Arkady's strong and vicious when he wants to be, a genuine threat to people.
Under the conditions of this particular thread, however, he's NOT taking the majority against Ock.