Adamantium dampens healing factors by being directly implanted into a mutants body. It's simply metal poisoning.
Carbonadium is actively radioactive, probably to go along with all the nuke stuff in Russia(Chernobyl, etc...) And it has stated as such. The C-Synth could make more Carbonadium and clean it's impurities, leaving it able to neutralize his death factor and need to feed without poisoning him as well.
And no, Red's armor isn't Carbonadium. It's an unidentified metal, and it's called Retro-Russian Armor, unless it states somewhere on panel that it is.
Also, Doc Ock's armor won't stop the spores.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Originally the former, it's unclear what effect it was having before he bought the farm.The whole thing never really made much sense. The C-Synth was needed to make Carbonadium... but why did Omega Red need it? He apparently needed Carbonadium to "stabilize his death factor"... but is body was full of Carbonadium already and he had Carbonadium armor. How is that not mission accomplished?
The story seems to have undergone the tyranny of the retcon, as Stiltman implies, but, really, this doesn't provide real comprehensive difficulty to me. There's the easy parallel to make of trace or dietary minerals. Take a look at the following from Wikipedia:
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Dietary minerals (also known as mineral nutrients) are the chemical elements required by living organisms, other than the four elements carbon, hydrogen, nitrogen, and oxygen present in common organic molecules.
Minerals in order of abundance in the human body include the seven major minerals calcium, phosphorus, potassium, sulfur, sodium, chlorine, and magnesium. Important "trace" or minor minerals, necessary for mammalian life, include iron, cobalt, copper, zinc, molybdenum, iodine, and selenium ...
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_mineral
You're probably thinking the above is the most uninteresting, irrelevant entry of all time.
But stop and consider just a few of the compounds on that list and anything whatsoever that you might have learned about them in chemistry class.
Do you notice that nearly every last one of these things, in even remotely large amounts, is absolutely poisonous, or, in the case of cobalt, radioactive and deadly?
The human body needs every last one of these to stay alive, yet, in large amounts, they kill.
Circulating throughout the bloodstream in proper amounts?
They bring health.
Inside the body or consumed in large amounts?
They bring death.
So seems to be the case with Omega Red and carbonadium.
He needs the carefully regulated amount of pure carbonadium metal that the C-Synthesizer creates to stabilize him.
With it, he can live a relatively normal life.
Without it, he dies a miserable death, even if he takes other people with him. It really doesn't provide much difficulty, IF I am remembering my old X-Men readings properly.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Care to show me some scans where OR just stands in a room ****ing people's health up without using deathspores? Cause most of the time that's not happening at all.
... it might also be worth pointing out, though, while I've got the opportunity, that the Original Poster (OP) of this thread obviously intended Octopus to have a gas mask to neutralize the threat of Omega Red's death factor.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
People are coming up with some extreme responses here.The "truth" is probably somewhere in the middle, not at the polar ends.
Alright, first things first:
1. People think carbonadium will do a number on Doc because it is radioactive. How radioactive is open to interpretation. Many are going with "extremely" radioactive because it is able to dampen mutant healing factors. Why they're concluding that, I don't know.
is known to dampen mutant healing factors, too, yet I've never seen adamantium called "radioactive" anywhere.
[b]Adamantium2. Arkady's implants apparently have some role in poisoning his mind and body because they are implants gone wrong. Nobody wants to make this distinction for some reason.
3. Carbonadium DOES, indeed neutralize Omega Red's death factor. Even what I've seen concerning Wolverine Origins says as much, and X-Men #5-7 makes it clear as day. Omega Red's death factor is a double edged sword. Given time, it will kill him. He can apparently use it like a vampire to steal the life of others and sustain himself, but he doesn't really like to do that. His team in X-Men #5 goes after Wolverine because Wolverine's healing factor acts as a life-replenisher for Wolverine; they're hoping the effect can be duplicated in Omega Red.
For some reason, plot needs, I suppose, Wolvie's X-Factor can't be duplicated by anything they try, not even with samples of Wolverine's blood and tissue. So their only resolve is to get a device called the C-Synthesizer, a device that makes pure carbonadium metal. THAT can stabilize Red. Problem is that, again, Wolverine seems to be the key. Only HE knows where that device is located. [/B]
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You've never seen Adamantium called radioactive anywhere because it's never been stated to be radioactive on panel, which Carbonadium has, half a dozen or so times. Cyber was dying of radiation poisoning because he had a Carbonadium pace maker grafted to his Adamantium exoskeleton... and his entire body except for his face is completely shielded from radiation exposure.
Adamantium doesn't dampen healing factors, it regulates Wolverine's unstable mutation. According to Professor X Wolverine is constantly evolving and his powers increase indefinitely without any checks or balances, Adamntium slows down this biological process. That's why Wolverine's healing factor didn't slow down after he regained his Adamantium Skeleton, the exponential increase was just tappered off.
Carbonadium doesn't negate Red's death factor. Case in point: Arkady had Carbonadium coils implanted into each of his arms, and wore Carbonadium armor... and his death factor was not negated. He was told by the Red Room that he needed to stabilize his powers so he wouldn't have to constantly drain people, but seemingly that was empty rhetoric in order to get him to chase down the C-Synth.
Originally posted by KingD19Guess Doc Ock's carbonadium armor was cleaned of its radioactive impurities then. Seems then that it's the type of carbonadium that would better inhibit his death spore effect.
Adamantium dampens healing factors by being directly implanted into a mutants body. It's simply metal poisoning.Carbonadium is actively radioactive, probably to go along with all the nuke stuff in Russia(Chernobyl, etc...) And it has stated as such. The C-Synth could make more Carbonadium and clean it's impurities, leaving it able to neutralize his death factor and need to feed without poisoning him as well.
And no, Red's armor isn't Carbonadium. It's an unidentified metal, and it's called Retro-Russian Armor, unless it states somewhere on panel that it is.
Also, Doc Ock's armor won't stop the spores.
Originally posted by srankmissingninIt's not completely negated but I thought it stopped the death spores from eating him alive?
Carbonadium doesn't negate Red's death factor. Case in point: Arkady had Carbonadium coils implanted into each of his arms, and wore Carbonadium armor... and his death factor was not negated. He was told by the Red Room that he needed to stabilize his powers so he wouldn't have to constantly drain people, but seemingly that was empty rhetoric in order to get him to chase down the C-Synth.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Care to show me some scans where OR just stands in a room ****ing people's health up without using deathspores? Cause most of the time that's not happening at all.
He kills people with other means before they can die a slow painful death from radiation exposure. In your mind you feel like this negates the documented radioactivity of the metal?
Can't have been. There was only one C-Synth in existence, and Logan was the only one who knew where it was. So Ock having the armor simply shouldn't have happened.
And Red's armor is never stated, but it could be Secondary Adamantium due to the punishment it's taken. But I doubt the armor itself is carbonadium.
Arkady's spores have to be released from time to time or they damage him from the inside out, but he can control them. Like consciously direct where they go and who they effect. He's done it on panel at least once. So people won't always get death spored around him, it's only when he chooses. Like when he fought Wolverine fo r18 hours.
Originally posted by ODG
Guess Doc Ock's carbonadium armor was cleaned of its radioactive impurities then. Seems then that it's the type of carbonadium that would better inhibit his death spore effect. It's not completely negated but I thought it stopped the death spores from eating him alive?
Carbonadium cleaned of it's radioactive impurities, is Adamantium. 😎
If Arkady doesn't use his death factor, the spores build up in his body and slowly kill him. Carbonadium is supposed to negate this process, so he can live without constantly killing people and draining their life force.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAdamantium doesn't dampen healing factors, it regulates Wolverine's unstable mutation. According to Professor X Wolverine is constantly evolving and his powers increase indefinitely without any checks or balances, Adamantium slows down this biological process. That's why Wolverine's healing factor didn't slow down after he regained his healing factor, the exponential increase was just tappered off.
Not sure what you think you're saying here that's significantly different from what I wrote. Wolverine's healing is "special", in the oversimplified sense, because it is much, much speedier than that of other people.
Slow it down and he becomes more and more like other people.
That's dampening.
Proof that Adamantium does this is that Wolverine's healing rate accelerated through the figurative roof after Magneto removed the adamantium from his bones way back in their 1993 showdown.
(Think it was X-Men #25, but I'll have to check.)
Point is, though, a substance doesn't have to be particularly harmful and radioactive on its own to do the same job as a substance that IS radioactive and harmful.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Carbonadium cleaned of it's radioactive impurities, is Adamantium. 😎
No it isn't, it's a lot more malleable than Adamantium, which is why Arkady has coils instead of claws, as Carbonadium can still be flexible once fully hardened instead of completely rigid like Adamantium.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
Not sure what you think you're saying here that's significantly different from what I wrote. Wolverine's healing is "special", in the oversimplified sense, because it is much, much speedier than that of other people.Slow it down and he becomes more and more like other people.
That's dampening.Proof that Adamantium does this is that Wolverine's healing rate accelerated through the figurative roof after Magneto removed the adamantium from his bones way back in their 1993 showdown.
(Think it was X-Men #25, but I'll have to check.)Point is, though, a substance doesn't have to be particularly harmful and radioactive on its own to do the same job as a substance that IS radioactive and harmful.
Again: Adamantium doesn't slow down Wolverine's healing factor. It stabilizes his mutation. Those are two different things. Adamantium Wolverine doesn't heal slower now then he did when he was Bone-Claw, but if he became Bone-Claw again his mutation would once again be unstable and start increasing exponentially. One thing has nothing to do with the radioactivity of Carbonadium.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
Just out of curiosity why should the carbonadium **** Ock up? His body is not even in connection with this shit.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Because it's highly radio active?
Originally posted by srankmissingninNice to see you think Ock lasts days/weeks/months in this forum battle.
He kills people with other means before they can die a slow painful death from radiation exposure. In your mind you feel like this negates the documented radioactivity of the metal?
My reply was actually meant for the Wolverine vs. Octopus thread that the radiation should obviously ****ed him up in the short period of time because it was so damn radioactive.
But it's nice to see that first you actually tried to argue that the radiation ****s him up in the time span of a forum fight and suddenly jump to a slow painful death excuse because that actually never really happened, yet somehow its still relevant to the fight?
Also:
Originally posted by srankmissingninGlad we agree that Spider-Man can break Adamantium 👆
Carbonadium cleaned of it's radioactive impurities, is Adamantium. 😎
Originally posted by KingD19
Arkady's spores have to be released from time to time or they damage him from the inside out, but he can control them. Like consciously direct where they go and who they effect. He's done it on panel at least once. So people won't always get death spored around him, it's only when he chooses. Like when he fought Wolverine fo r18 hours.
I agree that Arkady has some control over his spores and whether to release them or not. In fact, that was the point in that 1992 arc of Rogue throwing Arkady over to Matsuo and his allies, and she SAID as much (paraphrased) "I want you near your fan club so you don't go shootin' and sprayin' your death factor all over the place"...
I think you're wrong about Wolverine, though.
Pretty sure Arkady DID use his death factor on Wolverine.
That's precisely why someone remarked about the match:
"Any other would have died, long, long ago ..."
Think I might be able to provide THAT scan in due time.
THAT sort of thing people would race to post in a Wolverine respect thread.
The ones I'm looking for about C-synth?
Not so much, unfortunately ... 🙁
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Again: Adamantium doesn't slow down Wolverine's healing factor. It stabilizes his mutation. Those are two different things. Adamantium Wolverine doesn't heal slower now then he did when he was Bone-Claw, but if he became Bone-Claw again his mutation would once again be unstable and start increasing exponentially. One thing has nothing to do with the radioactivity of Carbonadium.
No, it actually slows down his healing factor. Because the metal is poisoning his body and his healing factor is constantly fighting and healing that damage. He has like 100 extra pounds due to all the Adamantium lining his skeletal structure. For you to think it's not poisoning him is silly.
Originally posted by KingD19Well apparently Doc Ock found a way to remove the harmful radiation associated with carbonadium for his own purposes. Whether or not carbonadium's convoluted history makes such an occurrence improbable is ultimately irrelevant; it's clearly happened on-panel.
Can't have been. There was only one C-Synth in existence, and Logan was the only one who knew where it was. So Ock having the armor simply shouldn't have happened.And Red's armor is never stated, but it could be Secondary Adamantium due to the punishment it's taken. But I doubt the armor itself is carbonadium.
Doesn't matter what his armor's made of, Omega Red has carbonadium implants somewhere in his body that protects him from his own death spores.
Originally posted by srankmissingninThat doesn't seem to jive with the C-Synthesizer's function, but either way, Doc Ock can and has been using non-harmful carbonadium. Heck, he even installed it in his Spidey mask to thwart Parker.
Carbonadium cleaned of it's radioactive impurities, is Adamantium. 😎If Arkady doesn't use his death factor, the spores build up in his body and slowly kill him. Carbonadium is supposed to negate this process, so he can live without constantly killing people and draining their life force.
Then it sounds like Doc Ock would arguably be resistant if not immune to the death spores then since he was almost completely covered in the stuff.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
I agree that Arkady has some control over his spores and whether to release them or not. In fact, that was the point in that 1992 arc of Rogue throwing Arkady over to Matsuo and his allies, and she SAID as much (paraphrased) "I want you near your fan club so you don't go shootin' and sprayin' your death factor all over the place"...I think you're wrong about Wolverine, though.
Pretty sure Arkady DID use his death factor on Wolverine.
That's precisely why someone remarked about the match:"Any other would have died, long, long ago ..."
Think I might be able to provide THAT scan in due time.
THAT sort of thing people would [b]race
to post in a Wolverine respect thread.
The ones I'm looking for about C-synth?
Not so much, unfortunately ... 🙁 [/B]
Oh no, I was using the fight as an example that he could use it at will and it wasn't always in effect. During the 18 hour fight he told Logan he was using it and it has an adverse effect on healing factors, even those as powerful as his.
And no ODG, the Carbonadium doesn't protect him from his death spores. Him releasing them periodically from his body when they build up protects him. He needs the C-Synth for his implants to do their job correctly.