Originally posted by KingD19
No it isn't, it's a lot more malleable than Adamantium, which is why Arkady has coils instead of claws, as Carbonadium can still be flexible once fully hardened instead of completely rigid like Adamantium.
Yes it is. Red directly stated Carbonadium was a form of Adamantium in one of his first appearances. Divorced of the impurities that those corner cutting Ruskies implemented, it would be Adamantium. 😎
Originally posted by KingD19
No, it actually slows down his healing factor. Because the metal is poisoning his body and his healing factor is constantly fighting and healing that damage. He has like 100 extra pounds due to all the Adamantium lining his skeletal structure. For you to think it's not poisoning him is silly.
Adamantium poisoning is not really poisoning at all. The metal inhibits Wolverine's body's natural ability for his bone marrow to created blood cells. His healing factor easily compensates for this and it's not even worth mentioning as long as his healing factor is active.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Again: Adamantium doesn't slow down Wolverine's healing factor. It stabilizes his mutation. Those are two different things. Adamantium Wolverine doesn't heal slower now then he did when he was Bone-Claw, but if he became Bone-Claw again his mutation would once again be unstable and start increasing exponentially.
You won't be able to convince me this is significantly different from the effect of Carbonadium, not given that the whole reason Logan was CHOSEN for the Weapon X program in so many stories was because his healing factor would allow him to survive the bonding process and compensate for the ill health effects adamantium would otherwise cause.
The rest of what you describe is all but impossible to separate from the power creep that afflicted nearly all comic book characters from the 1980s onward.
Sabretooth back in the 80s, for instance, was hospitalized for days because he ripped some of Spider-Man's webbing off his face. It re-opened some wounds the Black Cat had made on him in a street fight a while earlier. Nowadays? I seem to recall some off-the-wall story where someone actually cut Sabey's HEAD off and he reattached it and went about his business. MASSIVE power inflation has occurred with these guys since the familiar stories of yesteryear were told.
Originally posted by srankmissingnin
One thing has nothing to do with the radioactivity of Carbonadium.
Not only do I agree with this last sentence, it is, in a roundabout way, the very point I've been trying to make.
Taxing healing factors isn't proof that carbonadium would cause near-instant debilitating harm to ordinary people if worn as body armor, nor the fact that it can create problems as a surgical implant.
Originally posted by ODG
That doesn't seem to jive with the C-Synthesizer's function, but either way, Doc Ock can and has been using non-harmful carbonadium. Heck, he even installed it in his Spidey mask to thwart Parker.Then it sounds like Doc Ock would arguably be resistant if not immune to the death spores then since he was almost completely covered in the stuff.
I'm right there with you on that one. The C-Synth doesn't really make any sense in the way it's been explained.
Red has Carbonadium implanted inside his body, and his armor is made out of the stuff... and the Deathspores are still killing him. So what is the point of the C-Synth? How much Carbonadium does the guy need for his Deathspores not to kill himself?
I can see this discussion will take awhile to sort out all particulars.
Hopefully ODG will be kind enough to supply the scans I need to clarify things eventually.
In the meantime, it might be worthwhile to point out why Doctor Octopus is Doctor Octopus to begin with, namely that he was, from the very beginning, a top researcher of radioactive materials and their handling. That's precisely why he's got those tentacles ...
I point this out because it seems strange to me that people would argue that a man specialized in the handling of such things, specialized in creating devices to deal with things like uranium, and carbonadium, and any other substance/plot/materialiums that might arise, would not have sense enough to come up with a way to get around those problems.
HOWEVER, if you DO want it that way, it's also worth pointing out that Doctor Octopus, like Jen Walters and Bruce Banner's friend Rick, and a host of others, has demonstrated the ability to tolerate far higher dosages of radioactive than your average person, healing factor or no:
Source: Amazing Spider-Man #3, Volume 1
Writer: Stan Lee
Penciller: Steve Ditko
Year: 1963
Originally posted by srankmissingninI was under the impression only his coils were carbonadium and that he wanted C-Synth carbonadium specifically (not necessarily more carbonadium) that wouldn't also be harmful to himself.
I'm right there with you on that one. The C-Synth doesn't really make any sense in the way it's been explained.Red has Carbonadium implanted inside his body, and his armor is made out of the stuff... and the Deathspores are still killing him. So what is the point of the C-Synth? How much Carbonadium does the guy need for his Deathspores not to kill himself?
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
You won't be able to convince me this is significantly different from the effect of Carbonadium, not given that the whole reason Logan was CHOSEN for the Weapon X program in so many stories was because his healing factor would allow him to survive the bonding process and compensate for the ill health effects adamantium would otherwise cause.The rest of what you describe is all but impossible to separate from the power creep that afflicted nearly all comic book characters from the 1980s onward.
Sabretooth back in the 80s, for instance, was hospitalized for days because he ripped some of Spider-Man's webbing off his face. It re-opened some wounds the Black Cat had made on him in a street fight a while earlier. Nowadays? I seem to recall some off-the-wall story where someone actually cut Sabey's HEAD off and he reattached it and went about his business. MASSIVE power inflation has occurred with these guys since the familiar stories of yesteryear were told.
Not only do I agree with this last sentence, it is, in a roundabout way, the very point I've been trying to make.
Taxing healing factors isn't proof that carbonadium would cause near-instant debilitating harm to ordinary people if worn as body armor, nor the fact that it can create problems as a surgical implant.
Make no mistake, Wolverine's healing factor is an necessity for living with an Adamantium skeleton. Without his healing factor, allowing for the possibility that he somehow survived the bonding process, the Adamantium would slowly kill him. The Adamantium inhibits his bodies ability to create white blood cells, without his healing factor to commentate for his it would be like he had a combination of AIDS and Leukemia. When his mutant powers are active this is a trifling detail that is easily handled.
The difference being that Wolverine's "power creep" wasn't arbitrary and baseless. We know why his powers increased, there was a story line created to explain it unlike the vast majority of characters who just kept getting more powerful with no rhyme or reason.
Sabretooth back in the 80s didn't yet have a healing factor written into his character by Claremont when that specific event transpired.
It's radioactive. It was killing Cyber. I'm not sure what sort of loop hole you are trying to find here, but being in the vicinity of radioactive materials is bad. It gives you radiation poisoning... which is a terrible way to go. Ask Lex Luthor.
Originally posted by ODG
I was under the impression only his coils were carbonadium and that he wanted C-Synth carbonadium specifically (not necessarily more carbonadium) that wouldn't also be harmful to himself.
I know his armor has been stated as being Carbonadium before, but there is a possibility it was in TAS. I'm pretty sure 616 Red's armor is Carbonadium but not positive.
The C-Synth is used to make Carbonadium. Arkady already has Carbonadium. It's not like it does something to the Carbonadium he already has... or if that's what it is supposed to do, that's never been adequately explained. Like I said, the whole thing doesn't really make any sense to me. I think it's just one of many examples of sloppy 90s comic storytelling.
Originally posted by srankmissingninAre you saying the C-Synthesizer doesn't make non-radioactive carbonadium? It's just a machine that produces carbonadium?
I know his armor has been stated as being Carbonadium before, but there is a possibility it was in TAS. I'm pretty sure 616 Red's armor is Carbonadium but not positive.The C-Synth is used to make Carbonadium. Arkady already has Carbonadium. It's not like it does something to the Carbonadium he already has... or if that's what it is supposed to do, that's never been adequately explained. Like I said, the whole thing doesn't really make any sense to me. I think it's just one of many examples of sloppy 90s comic storytelling.