Manchester Black vs Gladiator

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... these same words... you said it throughout Gladiators respect thread. Is that the problem? You don't want him being above Supes.

😂

i don't have to 'want' anything. to anyone with good knowledge of both there is no real comparison.

By the way, you bringing up Gladiator heatvision not being so powerful du to the damage its created towards Hulk (to help your argument that Supes >Glads) doesn't help your case since an enrage Supes, none holding back Supes poured heat vision on Diana face and it did nothing and let's not bring up what has damaged her (bullets). [/B]

i'm not the one who BROUGHT the vision up. but i agree: glads vision=logan's claws. or a street sign. btw--nice job of lowballing yourself. cuz there are hardly ANY feats showing the power of supes' heat vision..... 🙄

Originally posted by carver9
Lol... these same words... you said it throughout Gladiators respect thread. Is that the problem? You don't want him being above Supes. By the way, you bringing up Gladiator heatvision not being so powerful du to the damage its created towards Hulk (to help your argument that Supes >Glads) doesn't help your case since an enrage Supes, none holding back Supes poured heat vision on Diana face and it did nothing and let's not bring up what has damaged her (bullets).

Trying to argue that Supes HV < Glads isn't going to help you Carver.

Originally posted by Simbon
Just because Glads HV < Supes HV and Glads <<< Carver's Glads shouldn't make us sell his heat-vision short. Beyond the Tyrant feat, he didn't just burn a hole in Hulk; it was stated that it was close to killing him. Vector didn't stop hulk either, but flaying him is a pretty awesome accomplishment. Glads' heat vision hasn't been used that many times, but it has never appeared weak. Like I said, it won't win the fight, but there's no need to downplay it just because it hasn't been used that often.

downplay? for me to 'downplay' something, there needs to be some high end feat at the other end of the spectrum. vector did that to a very high end hulk (bannerless, no?) hulk's been hurt and cut and nearly disemboweled a few times. taking that vision at close range, the effects don't surprise me in the least. i'm not saying it's 'weak'. but it is certainly an after-thought compared to his physical power.

Originally posted by Simbon
Trying to argue that Supes HV < Glads isn't going to help you Carver.

I'm not because that's not my point. Both are extremely powerful... even Thor himself admitted that Gladiator heat vision was powerful.

My point is Leo lowballing the character.

Originally posted by leonidas
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i don't have to 'want' anything. to anyone with good knowledge of both there is no real comparison.

i'm not the one who BROUGHT the vision up. but i agree: glads vision=logan's claws. or a street sign. btw--nice job of lowballing yourself. cuz there are hardly ANY feats showing the power of supes' heat vision..... 🙄

This isn't about Supes and bringing him up isn't aiding in your argument. If you "think" Supes is more powerful than Glads, feel free to think that, everyone has their own opinion but you lowballing, it will not aid you because playing the lowball game, I promise you would lose but that's not what I am here to discuss. What I am here to discuss is how Manchester is going to win this fight.

Originally posted by leonidas
downplay? for me to 'downplay' something, there needs to be some high end feat at the other end of the spectrum. vector did that to a very high end hulk (bannerless, no?) hulk's been hurt and cut and nearly disemboweled a few times. taking that vision at close range, the effects don't surprise me in the least. i'm not saying it's 'weak'. but it is certainly an after-thought compared to his physical power.

It was professor Hulk, I'm pretty sure.

No argument on HV being secondary to physical power; but I don't agree with you with the feat against hulk being unimpressive, and I also don't agree with ignoring the Tyrant feat, which I also found very impressive. How impressive is resisting that crazy wind in the scheme of things? My point is that, from the little we've seen of both of these abilities, neither has a clear edge over the other; so it's not a battle of HV vs TK, it's a battle of speedblitz vs TP. And in comics, for whatever reason, TP tends to be faster.

Originally posted by carver9
I'm not because that's not my point. Both are extremely powerful... even Thor himself admitted that Gladiator heat vision was powerful.

My point is Leo lowballing the character.

so, if i'm lowballing, what am i lowballing it against? what's his highest feat? don't say tyrant because i already said thanos took a similar blast like it was a spring rain and tyrnat admitted thanos was 'more than the others'. the hulk blast? already explained. both are decent feats. far from great. calling something what it is is NOT lowballing i'm afraid. this is why i dislike the character. stop trying to make him more than he is and people will stop calling you on your bullsh!t.

Originally posted by leonidas
don't say tyrant because i already said thanos took a similar blast like it was a spring rain and tyrnat admitted thanos was 'more than the others'.

Thanos was possibly amped, and besides took a blast from Odin with even greater equanimity.

Originally posted by Simbon
It was professor Hulk, I'm pretty sure.

No argument on HV being secondary to physical power; but I don't agree with you with the feat against hulk being unimpressive, and I also don't agree with ignoring the Tyrant feat, which I also found very impressive. How impressive is resisting that crazy wind in the scheme of things? My point is that, from the little we've seen of both of these abilities, neither has a clear edge over the other; so it's not a battle of HV vs TK, it's a battle of speedblitz vs TP. And in comics, for whatever reason, TP tends to be faster.

yep, in the end you're right. as far as the vision: the hulk feat is 'ok' in my book, but again, not great considering the things that have damaged hulk in the past. especially THAT version. penetrating hulk's skin isn't much of a feat. its overcoming his hf that is the big thing. he ALMOST did, but again, at that range, i'd think he COULD penetrate like he did. and of course, hulk ended up by beating glads to a pulp.

tyrant is unquantifiable imo so neither impressive nor unimpressive.

i thought the vector scene took place at the crossroads, but i could be wrong. if it was prof, it was cool, but not as impressive as i always considered it.

Ok, so we agree that Galds best chance to win the fight is a HV from the start, since he isn't fast enough to counter the speed of though of MB, right boys, girls and carver?
In other words, Glads should win.

Originally posted by leonidas
so, if i'm lowballing, what am i lowballing it against? what's his highest feat? don't say tyrant because i already said thanos took a similar blast like it was a spring rain and tyrnat admitted thanos was 'more than the others'. the hulk blast? already explained. both are decent feats. far from great. calling something what it is is NOT lowballing i'm afraid. this is why i dislike the character. stop trying to make him more than he is and people will stop calling you on your bullsh!t.

Thanos had the orb and Tyrant had to BEAT on Gladiator in order to drop him because his blast power couldn't do it (it did make him dizzy though).

Originally posted by Simbon
Thanos was possibly amped, and besides took a blast from Odin with even greater equanimity.

proven not to be amped, and again, that blast from odin was unquantifiable. both odin and tyrant obviously went easy, given what both did in the later stages of BOTH battles.

we'll likely never agree--i've never found his vision very impressive. his lack of feats (even his lack of use of the power) seem to support this idea. i'll respectfully disagree on this issue, but agree whole-heartedly with your overall opinion.

Originally posted by carver9
Thanos had the orb and Tyrant had to BEAT on Gladiator in order to drop him because his blast power couldn't do it (it did make him dizzy though).

tyrant 'beat' on thanos too.... not sure what your point is. and the orb was proven definitively to have NOT amped thanos.

Originally posted by leonidas
proven not to be amped, and again, that blast from odin was unquantifiable. both odin and tyrant obviously went easy, given what both did in the later stages of BOTH battles.

we'll likely never agree--i've never found his vision very impressive. his lack of feats (even his lack of use of the power) seem to support this idea. i'll respectfully disagree on this issue, but agree whole-heartedly with your overall opinion.

Fair enough (though I don't agree on the orb; that whole thing was so inconsistent that I don't think a definitive statement can be made either way).

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
he isn't fast enough to counter the speed of though of MB, right boys, girls and carver?

Ummm....says who?

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Ummm....says who?

Carver, who else.

Originally posted by leonidas
so, if i'm lowballing, what am i lowballing it against? what's his highest feat? don't say tyrant because i already said thanos took a similar blast like it was a spring rain and tyrnat admitted thanos was 'more than the others'. the hulk blast? already explained. both are decent feats. far from great. calling something what it is is NOT lowballing i'm afraid. this is why i dislike the character. stop trying to make him more than he is and people will stop calling you on your bullsh!t.

One shotting Rachel, one shotting Vulcan, killing a Phoenix, taking out a Phoenix in one blow... tanking Vulcan attacks, annihilating Masterson until masterson back stabbed him with a blast... annihilating Nova, one shotting Binary, hanging with Supreme, snapping Hyperion neck, one shotting Warbird, taking out three member of the Nova corps and one of them was a fill in for Richard (he got one shotted).

Those feats alone are rare and powerful. He has more but I'm not going through all of that... like taking out a entire space fleet of super humans by himself.

Originally posted by leonidas
tyrant 'beat' on thanos too.... not sure what your point is. and the orb was proven definitively to have NOT amped thanos.

Thanos>Gladiator. I have no problem admitting that. Thanos>any high herald but Thanos was amped during his tussle against Tyrant.

Originally posted by Simbon
Fair enough (though I don't agree on the orb; that whole thing was so inconsistent that I don't think a definitive statement can be made either way).

no, i mean it was definitive mentioned in an issue of cosmic powers that the orb did NOT amp him. if i get the time, i'll find the scan. i liked it better when i thought he was amped as well and still say that initially, as it was first written, he WAS supposed to have an amp from it. but like i said, it was later retconned--if he ever had the amp to begin with. 😬

Originally posted by carver9
One shotting Rachel, one shotting Vulcan, killing a Phoenix, taking out a Phoenix in one blow... tanking Vulcan attacks, annihilating Masterson until masterson back stabbed him with a blast... annihilating Nova, one shotting Binary, hanging with Supreme, snapping Hyperion neck, one shotting Warbird, taking out three member of the Nova corps and one of them was a fill in for Richard (he got one shotted).

Those feats alone are rare and powerful. He has more but I'm not going through all of that... like taking out a entire space fleet of super humans by himself.

huh? i was talking specifically about his vision feats. his favourite feat of mine was the vulcan feat. i loved vulcan, but glads got some respect there. beating the phoenix shard wielder was pretty cool too. contrary to your assumption i don't hate him. but i do see him as he is and what he was craeted as.