Manchester Black vs Gladiator

Originally posted by -Pr-

And like leo said, he sill has TK. Herald level TK, and insane skill with it too.

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His 6 (yes, SIX) TK feats put him at herald level, on the same level as God-like Cable?

1. Being able to levitate himself + Coldcast
2. TK-punching Superman (though it's not sure that wasn't the Hat's doing)
3. TK stroke on Superman
4. TK stroke on Menagerie
5. TK blast to his own skull, blowing his brains out.
6. TK shields capable of repelling wind.

Come on PR, you know better than that.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
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His 6 (yes, SIX) TK feats put him at herald level, on the same level as God-like Cable?

1. Being able to levitate himself + Coldcast
2. TK-punching Superman (though it's not sure that wasn't the Hat's doing)
3. TK stroke on Superman
4. TK stroke on Menagerie
5. TK blast to his own skull, blowing his brains out.
6. TK shields capable of repelling wind.

Come on PR, you know better than that.

I never said he was on the same level as God Cable, nor do I believe he is.

His TK is still capable of putting down herald level characters though, which is what I said.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~

3. TK stroke on Superman

has the original hat done anything since his first appearance? i liked that guy

Originally posted by Philosophía
Because Flash and Zoom have their minds function at speeds milions of times greater than their bodies are able to, and thus they are effectivly spending weeks with their mind frozen in their bodies before they're able to move a limb? Wait, no, they don't.

But glad to see you go full-on. 👆

A big step for you, another step back for the forum.

That feat was for Superman, arguably, even better than the city-building feat.

And that's saying something.

so what if they spend weeks in their heads without taking phyaical action? they are built to cope with it. zoom should take a century in his own subjective timeframe to circle the planet several times over. how is this any less absurd than QQ experiencing weeks worth of time in his mind and in TP action without moving physically?

furthermore, my point has been proven on panel as emma frost has demonstrated several times the concept of "TP subjective time" as she calls it. She dilates her own and other people's (including non-telepaths) subjective experiences so that they can live for hours or days in their heads, making plans, carrying conversations, creating memories and learning things, processing millions of thoughts while only fractions of a second passes in the real world. nobody goes crazy from this and in the meantime they can still remain physically functional in the speed their bodies allow normally.

QQ has demonstrably more power than her and was stated on panel to normally think at superspeeds, unlike emma who must access this state of mind

Is Glads even capable of having a stroke. Is his internal organs anything like Supermans. The guy bleeds purple ooze.

Originally posted by carver9
Is Glads even capable of having a stroke. Is his internal organs anything like Supermans. The guy bleeds purple ooze.

You could ask the same question comparing Superman to humans, when he's been shown to have organs humans don't have.

Originally posted by -Pr-
You could ask the same question comparing Superman to humans, when he's been shown to have organs humans don't have.

But Gladiator has never shown anything resembling any type of human breakdown physically, especially being capable of having a stroke. It wouldn't work imo and there really isn't anything proving that it would since we have no type of indication that Glads even have organs besides a brain. Its a guess that might not even be successful and remember, Manchester can not afford to make any type of mistakes.

Originally posted by carver9
But Gladiator has never shown anything resembling any type of human breakdown physically, especially being capable of having a stroke. It wouldn't work imo and there really isn't anything proving that it would since we have no type of indication that Glads even have organs besides a brain. Its a guess that might not even be successful and remember, Manchester can not afford to make any type of mistakes.

He'd use the brain to cause a stroke.

Besides, he doesn't need to use precision attacks. He can still attack him with standard telekinesis.

I'm not saying he'll win, but he'd going to make Kallark definitely work hard for a victory.

Originally posted by -Pr-
He'd use the brain to cause a stroke.

Besides, he doesn't need to use precision attacks. He can still attack him with standard telekinesis.

I'm not saying he'll win, but he'd going to make Kallark definitely work hard for a victory.

I know but you don't get what I am saying. Glads brain functions isn't sim similar to Supes and his powerset proves this.

Originally posted by carver9
I know but you don't get what I am saying. Glads brain functions isn't sim similar to Supes and his powerset proves this.

I do, but you don't get what i'm saying. Superman's brain works differently than a human's, but Black affected it. We've already seen telepathy work on Gladiator from more than one person, so at the very least we know that telepaths can affect his brain.

I don't see how Black would be any different.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Herald level. ✅

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Unless you count every single bad guy who's ever managed to cause him pain as = herald level which is just lolworthy.

Originally posted by -Pr-
I do, but you don't get what i'm saying. Superman's brain works differently than a human's, but Black affected it. We've already seen telepathy work on Gladiator from more than one person, so at the very least we know that telepaths can affect his brain.

I don't see how Black would be any different.

Except he had been obsessed with Superman for years. He most likely knew his physiology inside out. Not the same with Gladiator.

Not that it matters though, Black was unable to so much as locate, nevertheless attack a Superman that was moving slower than light.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
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Unless you count every single bad guy who's ever managed to cause him pain as = herald level which is just lolworthy.

Except he had been obsessed with Superman for years. He most likely knew his physiology inside out. Not the same with Gladiator.

Not that it matters though, Black was unable to so much as locate, nevertheless attack a Superman that was moving slower than light.

How could he know his physiology?

Originally posted by carver9
Is Glads even capable of having a stroke. Is his internal organs anything like Supermans. The guy bleeds purple ooze.

He doesn't even have a pulse.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
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His 6 (yes, SIX) TK feats put him at herald level, on the same level as God-like Cable?

1. Being able to levitate himself + Coldcast
2. TK-punching Superman (though it's not sure that wasn't the Hat's doing)
3. TK stroke on Superman
4. TK stroke on Menagerie
5. TK blast to his own skull, blowing his brains out.
6. TK shields capable of repelling wind.

Come on PR, you know better than that.

a). He is capable of levitating and shielding himself and another guy from winds that were moving at 500 miles per minute - that is, 30,000 miles per hour. As a comparison, the most extreme winds of a tornado are moving at ~ 300 miles per hour.
b). He was using his telekinesis to throw Superman through whole mountains, and casually stopped him mid-attack and started internally affecting Superman with his telekinesis, giving him a stroke and having him bleeding, drooling on the ground.
c). He stroke'd Menagerie while he was in a completly different location.

Now, some of the most significant stuff that you've missed.

d). The Elite are tossing around power to ignite a sun.

e).They've split a moon in half.

The Hat and Menagerie don't have anywhere near the power to do something like that, which leaves Coldcast and Manchester Black. Coldcast was spent after the attack on Superman, and eventough the attack left a large spot on the moon, it's not the power to ignite a sun, or to split a moon in half.

What does this say about Manchester Black? 🙂

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
But Gladiator has never shown anything resembling any type of human breakdown physically, especially being capable of having a stroke. It wouldn't work imo and there really isn't anything proving that it would since we have no type of indication that Glads even have organs besides a brain. Its a guess that might not even be successful and remember, Manchester can not afford to make any type of mistakes.

well, he does have eyes, a mouth (along w/vocal chords), is bipedal; theres a few things that 1 *could assume* he shares physiologically w/humans.......

Tazer

Originally posted by -Pr-
How could he know his physiology?

the physiology argument is pretty hilarious. the stroke is just an example of the precision of his power. glads has eyes. he could tk blind him by exploding them. or tk melt his WHOLE brain. of use tp to locate his heart and cause it to stop. he also affected bizarro and MANY other non-human villains when he controlled them to attack superman en masse. to think he couldn't affect glads because he is alien after he's affected not just one but MANY aliens with his power already is ridiculous.

Originally posted by leonidas
the physiology argument is pretty hilarious. the stroke is just an example of the precision of his power. glads has eyes. he could tk blind him by exploding them. or tk melt his WHOLE brain. of use tp to locate his heart and cause it to stop. he also affected bizarro and MANY other non-human villains when he controlled them to attack superman en masse. to think he couldn't affect glads because he is alien after he's affected not just one but MANY aliens with his power already is ridiculous.

No... just no.

really? don't suppose you have an actual explanation why he could affect aliens and non-humans in dc but not marvel? and does that go for ANY telepath or tk'er? are you saying NO one with tk could ever affect glad's like that because he's an alien?

let's hear your reasoning.

oh, and btw, i await your proof that shows if his brain is destroyed he'd be fine. 🙂