Manchester Black vs Gladiator

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

thats dishonest carver, as that page was the tail-end of a fight where Glads was being made to think he was being blasted by an energy cannon by Rocket, when in fact it was a tp-ploy by Rachel which he only came to figure out cuz of some little factoid they'd gotten wrong; Rocket had gotten in [b]quite a few "blasts" b4 he figured out the deception.

so yea, tp WOULD work on him.

Tazer [/B]

If TP would have worked, even if Glads figured that out, she still should have been able to convince him otherwise or simply kept mind raping him until he passed out. She states that she can't hold him, he fought against the TP. What is Black suppose to do against Gladiator mind to convince him that he is being defeated because Rachel couldn't mind rape him so she resulted to trickery which failed. Gladiator has no weakness minus his confidence and how is Manchester going to find out that weakness since its not as known as you might think.

That scan shows that Gladiator can fight through TP attacks and that Manchester only saving grace before getting his head taken off.

he convinced superman and all his super senses that lois lane was truly dead for a good while. 'nuff said

Originally posted by leonidas
even kg doesn't LIE about glads.....

Originally posted by Endless Mike
You know I hate agreeing with carver, but isn't it pretty much decided that Kallark takes this?

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reread. the majority says black....

@kg--it was a compliment! you know i luv ya. 😄

Originally posted by leonidas
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reread. the majority says black....

@kg--it was a compliment! you know i luv ya. 😄

That's just cause you're a fanboy uhuh

Oh look, I found an image of ol' 'chester after the fight with Glads.

biscuits

Yo.

Originally posted by carver9
If TP would have worked, even if Glads figured that out, she still should have been able to convince him otherwise or simply kept mind raping him until he passed out. She states that she can't hold him, he fought against the TP. What is Black suppose to do against Gladiator mind to convince him that he is being defeated because Rachel couldn't mind rape him so she resulted to trickery which failed. Gladiator has no weakness minus his confidence and how is Manchester going to find out that weakness since its not as known as you might think.

That scan shows that Gladiator can fight through TP attacks and that Manchester only saving grace before getting his head taken off.

I agree that she *shouldve* been able to simply continue mind-rape him, however the fact of the matter remains that: 1) the ploy to make Glads think he was getting rocked by R.Racoon using an energy cannon was (while temporary) still successful since he WAS caught up in the falsehood for awhile and completely bought into it during that time, and 2) this is far from the 1st time a tp'er has had someone break thru their attempts to mind-@#$%'em, another example of this would be Supes vs M.Black, or even B5 vs Universo back in v3 of LSH.

to say tp wouldnt work on him just isnt true (which is wat U claimed); to say he has a chance (either great OR small) of freeing himself when so ensorceled is the honest & more accurate statement.

Tazer

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
That's just cause you're a fanboy uhuh

Not fanboy, its the Gladiator hate. This thread could have been Jubilee vs Gladiator and his answer would still be the same.

I still love you though Leo... besides Glads, you are one of the non-biased members on KMC.

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Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

I agree that she *shouldve* been able to simply continue mind-rape him, however the fact of the matter remains that: 1) the ploy to make Glads think he was getting rocked by R.Racoon using an energy cannon was (while temporary) [b]still successful since he WAS caught up in the falsehood for awhile and completely bought into it during that time, and 2) this is far from the 1st time a tp'er has had someone break thru their attempts to mind-@#$%'em, another example of this would be Supes vs M.Black, or even B5 vs Universo back in v3 of LSH.

to say tp wouldnt work on him just isnt true (which is wat U claimed); to say he has a chance (either great OR small) of freeing himself when so ensorceled is the honest & more accurate statement.

Tazer [/B]

Its going to make my stomach hurt saying this but (Whispering) "you are right".

The thing I don't get is how is Manchester going to drop him? Of course he can probably temporarily fool him but for how long and what good is that going to do? Once Glads break that hold, Manchester is going to get hit in the face with a planet destroying punch from a guy that doesn't care about killing him.

What trickery is he going to use against someone that is truly invulnerable and has no weaknesses? He doesn't know about Glads confidence issue. If Manchester doesn't start his mind attack off perfectly which is a HIGH chance that he probably would since his knowledge of Gladiator is limited... Manchester WILL lose this fight.

Actually, Manchster Black's most common attack is telepathy, and he's pretty damned skilled with it. Skilled enough to give Gladiator pause.

It's not going to be a stomp by any means.

Originally posted by -Pr-
Actually, Manchster Black's most common attack is telepathy, and he's pretty damned skilled with it. Skilled enough to give Gladiator pause.

It's not going to be a stomp by any means.

I agree but how long will this pause last before Glads fight against it? That's my argument. I know that his TP will be a problem but it will be a temporary problem imo.

And Glads will know that he is a telepath so Manchester mind trickery will only get him so far.

Originally posted by carver9
I agree but how long will this pause last before Glads fight against it? That's my argument. I know that his TP will be a problem but it will be a temporary problem imo.

Gladiator fighting against it doesn't mean he's going to beat it.

Yo.

M.Black was also pretty decent with the tk; wats to stop him from giving Glads a stroke, the same as he did w/Supes (differing physiology aside)??

I agree that if Glads breaks free of any mind-screwing he gives'em, its likely OVER for MB, and far quicker than if it were Supes, given their differing dispositions..........

Tazer

Originally posted by -Pr-
Gladiator fighting against it doesn't mean he's going to beat it.

I understand that Manchester is more skilled with TP but Rachel has the edge in raw power and if Rachel "on more than one occassion" was unable to mind rape or shut Gladiators mind down, I can't see Manchester fairing any better imo. Given time, yes, but he is not granted that time in this match.

In this comic (can't remember), didn't Jean (who had possession of the PF) fail at mind raping Gladiator?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/392/71649936ll9.jpg/

Yo.

that scan doesnt show her making the attempt to do so; wats the page previous to it?

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

that scan doesnt show her making the attempt to do so; wats the page previous to it?

Tazer

I think it happened a couple of panels after that, I could be wrong... the scans I have of the fight isn't working anymore. I THINK she does make a fail attempt but I could be wrong. I was hoping someone could post the entire thing (like kgkg... I know for a fact that he has it).

Originally posted by carver9
In this comic (can't remember), didn't Jean (who had possession of the PF) fail at mind raping Gladiator?

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/392/71649936ll9.jpg/

That is from New X-men 124 first the entire imperial guard were wearing mind armor including Gladiator.Jean also didn't fail to do anything all that was stated in the comic was Gladiator saying he could feel her testing his mind armor.She was also not in the best of shape two pages latter she callasps from the sentinel virus that Cassandra nova infected the x-men with.

Originally posted by SuperiorTech
That is from New X-men 124 first the entire imperial guard were wearing mind armor including Gladiator.Jean also didn't fail to do anything all that was stated in the comic was Gladiator saying he could feel her testing his mind armor.She was also not in the best of shape two pages latter she callasps from the sentinel virus that Cassandra nova infected the x-men with.

Thanks Superior.

I knew about the armor but isn't that standard equipment for Glads anyway? Doesn't matter, thanks for clearing that up... good stuff.

tp won't win this fight for black. tk will.

Originally posted by carver9
I understand that Manchester is more skilled with TP but Rachel has the edge in raw power and if Rachel "on more than one occassion" was unable to mind rape or shut Gladiators mind down, I can't see Manchester fairing any better imo. Given time, yes, but he is not granted that time in this match.

Black is a more accomplished TP than Rachel. Her raw power is nothing without the skill to use it. That's why she failed.

And like leo said, he sill has TK. Herald level TK, and insane skill with it too.