Manchester Black vs Gladiator

Started by Rage.Of.Olympus17 pages

Marvel's bios are worthless when it comes to power levels. They serve as the most basic of guides, you'll know who belongs in what tier but that's it.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Marvel's bios are worthless when it comes to power levels. They serve as the most basic of guides, you'll know who belongs in what tier but that's it.

He knows that. He's been told that. But alas...

Originally posted by Philosophía
Of course his mind isn't always at microsecond level in order for him to interact with normal people - but in battle, he can have everything standing still, and percieve microsecond (and much higher) level events.

Which is what I'm asking you. In battle, are Midnighter and Quentin capable of spending relative weeks in a normal second frame of time, but unlike Flash their bodies aren't able to cope with that speed so, in essence, somebody like Midnighter is in physical paralysis, unable to physically attack his opponent but only limited to "calculating scenarios" while the world is frozen around him and, Quentin aswell, being stuck in a paralysis state but, unlike Midnighter, he can also deliver a telepathic assault?

Because that's what you're saying. That Midnighter's mind can operate in microsecond-level perception and speed. And that Quentin's can, aswell. But their bodies are not moving at those speeds, so in essence their minds are fully functional - but they're paralyzed in their own bodies. Except that Quentin has telepathy, so he can attack without moving his paralyzed body.

I'd appreciate if you stop dodging the question.

battlewise yes, that's what I'm saying. I find it no more absurd than the functionign of flash's or (specially) zoom's power

👆

That's what microsecond and more perception time implies. I'm now testing to see if he will go to the end with his absurd position that they have that level of mental speed but their bodies do not, thus they are paralyzed inside their own bodies, or admits its ridiculousness. [/B]

👆 I have.

Because Flash and Zoom have their minds function at speeds milions of times greater than their bodies are able to, and thus they are effectivly spending weeks with their mind frozen in their bodies before they're able to move a limb? Wait, no, they don't.

But glad to see you go full-on. 👆

A big step for you, another step back for the forum.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Barrys and Supermans Speed feat from Superman #709 was also quite impressive and gave a good impression how fast they can think, if they choose to.
That feat was for Superman, arguably, even better than the city-building feat.

And that's saying something.

Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
i fukcin love that page

how bland things are now

Here we have Gladiator and Hyperion fighting at light speeds, punching at each other within nano seconds. They both have thought bubbles being prossessed during this engage at light. Pretty clear indication of thinking at ftl speeds.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/68/39597113mf8.jpg/

Originally posted by carver9
Here we have Gladiator and Hyperion fighting at light speeds, punching at each other within nano seconds. They both have thought bubbles being prossessed during this engage at light. Pretty clear indication of thinking at ftl speeds.

http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/68/39597113mf8.jpg/

not really

Originally posted by Sin I AM
not really

Not really what?

Originally posted by carver9
Not really what?

Read this scan again.
They both use their eyebeams and the feedback knocks them some miles apart.
Glads recovers first and flys to Hyperion who needs SEVERAL seconds more to recover, which in turn means that Glads needed some seconds to recover and fly to him.
Hyperion recovers just in time to block the attack and his counterpunch comes a nanosecond later, nothing more, they don't trade blows now in nanosecond time, neither do they think now in nanoseconds.

I could give you an better speedfeat of glads, even one where he thinks fast enough but you surely know it.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Read this scan again.
They both use their eyebeams and the feedback knocks them some miles apart.
Glads recovers first and flys to Hyperion who needs SEVERAL seconds more to recover, which in turn means that Glads needed some seconds to recover and fly to him.
Hyperion recovers just in time to block the attack and his counterpunch comes a nanosecond later, nothing more, they don't trade blows now in nanosecond time, neither do they think now in nanoseconds.

I could give you an better speedfeat of glads, even one where he thinks fast enough but you surely know it.

But the thing about this is, Hyperion punched at Glads with nanosecond speeds and Glads blocked this same punch. Glads had to think in order to raise his fist to block this punch and he had to think faster than the punch that was delivered to counter it. Same as catching bullets, it takes a thought process along with body movement to do it.

Originally posted by carver9
But the thing about this is, Hyperion punched at Glads with nanosecond speeds and Glads blocked this same punch. Glads had to think in order to raise his fist to block this punch and he had to think faster than the punch that was delivered to counter it. Same as catching bullets, it takes a thought process along with body movement to do it.

Now you are reaching, but anyway, he reacted to this punch, that's right. Thinking or haveing an conversation is something different, read Superman #709 to witness a true conversation within a second ^^.

But glads is still able to think/talk incredibly fast, you just need the proper scans and i won't tell you which ones 😄.

Originally posted by carver9
Not really what?

nowhere is it indicated that they fought at ftl speeds...only a few blows was traded anyway

Originally posted by Sin I AM
nowhere is it indicated that they fought at ftl speeds...only a few blows was traded anyway

Punching at nano seconds is light speed, no matter how many punches being delivered.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Now you are reaching, but anyway, he reacted to this punch, that's right. Thinking or haveing an conversation is something different, read Superman #709 to witness a true conversation within a second ^^.

But glads is still able to think/talk incredibly fast, you just need the proper scans and i won't tell you which ones 😄.

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I have another scan that I am about to present. Share your thoughts when I post it. I like Superman 709.. beastly.

Originally posted by carver9
Punching at nano seconds is light speed, no matter how many punches being delivered.

carver he threw one punch, and that was before the nanosecond was referenced it seems to be in regards to there thought process as opposed to anything else although i do see where you could have reached that cpnclusion @ ftl speeds

Yo.

Originally posted by Bentley
He also got hurt by Cancerverse Professor X.

I dont remem which 1 of either Mantis or MDragon that had Glads thinking R.Racoon was thumping him with a megasupahenergy wep..........when in reality it was *mop* or something, but if he's *that* susceptible to tp-atks, then Manchester takes this all the way home.

Tazer


Carver, IIRC this is an alternate future of the 616-Universe. Though I think this feat is valid for Glads. Thor and the FF had to stop Galactus (who was corrupted by the Dreaming Celestial) from destroying the Universe.
Anyway, Reed almost (or for realz) "stopped" the time around them or such a thing. Still Glads was fast enough to notice them, fight and engage in a verbal battle with thor. Impressive, though I don't know how fast, relative to the timestream, the FF and Thor moved.

So, about speed: If a character is moving fast enough where the world appears to be a statue, is it safe to say we're talking about something well beyond light speed?

Originally posted by cdtm
So, about speed: If a character is moving fast enough where the world appears to be a statue, is it safe to say we're talking about something well beyond light speed?

Depends on how much he can accomplish while the World stands still 😉.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime

Carver, IIRC this is an alternate future of the 616-Universe. Though I think this feat is valid for Glads. Thor and the FF had to stop Galactus (who was corrupted by the Dreaming Celestial) from destroying the Universe.
Anyway, Reed almost (or for realz) "stopped" the time around them or such a thing. Still Glads was fast enough to notice them, fight and engage in a verbal battle with thor. Impressive, though I don't know how fast, relative to the timestream, the FF and Thor moved.

Reed boosted their speeds at Hyper speed levels which is basically thousands of times FTL and Glads was able to match their speeds and even follow their movements before busting in there to engage Thor. One of the best speed feats in comics minus the Zoom and Flash fight and that is a pure indication of what you said. The writer made that scene as an indication of Gladiators power buuuuut.....