Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~I agree with Flash/Quicksilver/Northstar type of speedsters, since they are actual moving their limbs and processing each movement they make, but as far as flying being translated into thinking speed - no, that was never the case. Kyle Rayner can't think at milions of times lightspeed. Hal Jordan can't think at milions of times lightspeed. Random Green Lantern #3435 can't do that either.
The general consensus I've found is that speedsters think at the speed they can move at. Otherwise they'd run/fly into walls.
If I give you the ability to fly at multiple times the speed of sound, and tell you to travel to the moon you would be able to do so without being able to actually fight at those speeds. The same way jet pilots are able to go ~ mach speeds and manuver at those velocities without being Quicksilver in h2h combat.
It's a simple principle, so I'm quite surprised so many people have a problem with comprehending it.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~They proved they have high-end combat speed - perception, reaction and limb movement - by actually doing it, not by flying really fast. If other characters demonstrate the same type of speed, sure. But if they just fly really fast, it doesn't mean they're impressive, as far as combat speed is concerned, in any way.
Well it's been flat out stated for Superman, mr. Majestic, Flash and Quicksilver numerous times that they think at superspeed. I think it's silly since there are already such instances to demand proof for each and every single speedster 😂
Originally posted by 753Not unless you think Midnighter's combat speed is in the microsecond teritory.
just for the sake of stablishing a standard: omega kid was stated to form and organize thoughts at the rate of 30 million per second, he had no physical superspeed and his only power was telepathy. could he handle someone like superman intent on blitzing him? could he mindrape him in time?
Spoiler:
It's not
Originally posted by Philosophía
I agree with Flash/Quicksilver/Northstar type of speedsters, since they are actual moving their limbs and processing each movement they make, but as far as flying being translated into thinking speed - no, that was never the case. Kyle Rayner can't think at milions of times lightspeed. Hal Jordan can't think at milions of times lightspeed. Random Green Lantern #3435 can't do that either.If I give you the ability to fly at multiple times the speed of sound, and tell you to travel to the moon you would be able to do so without being able to actually fight at those speeds. The same way jet pilots are able to go ~ mach speeds and manuver at those velocities without being Quicksilver in h2h combat.
It's a simple principle, so I'm quite surprised so many people have a problem with comprehending it.
They proved they have high-end combat speed - perception, reaction and limb movement - by actually doing it, not by flying really fast. If other characters demonstrate the same type of speed, sure. But if they just fly really fast, it doesn't mean they're impressive, as far as combat speed is concerned, in any way.
Not unless you think Midnighter's combat speed is in the microsecond teritory.Spoiler:
It's not
yup. pretty much that exactly.
Originally posted by ~The Wickerman~
Well it's been flat out stated for Superman, mr. Majestic, Flash and Quicksilver numerous times that they think at superspeed. I think it's silly since there are already such instances to demand proof for each and every single speedster 😂
not each one, just questionable ones. i think glads falls into the latter category. supes blitzes so fast he doesn't have motion lines half the time. he just 'appears' behind an opponent. he also has multiple examples showing superspeed thought. same with flash, northstar, even quicksilver has examples of superspeed reading for example. glads has some decent blitzes, but nothing like clark. phil brought up gl's. i brought up thor. just not sure glads has enough proof to support his thinking at speeds that would make his blitz indefensible, or his perception-to-action ratio something that black couldn't likely handle.
Dude, there's no indication that the "fight" was done or kept by chester, he was just "watching" it when Supes tells him to "read his mind". He did however maintain the illusion of Lois being dead, which is pretty impressive.
hyrm, not sure i agree with that. they definitely fought in supes' mindscape. it wasn't an illusion created directly by black (finally went back and dug the book out) but he DID get into superman's head with his powers and he did interact and have a part in what was taking place in that mindscape. and black was beaten down because he WANTED clark to beat him down in that fight. were he to get into glads's head like that, i don't think there is any reason to think he couldn't have a FAR better showing. i also wonder if he could use that level of tk (to the point where he WAS battling clark h2h) in the 'real world'. it doesn't seem that big a stretch imo to think so.
Maybe, possibly. For the 1st fight perhaps. Out of 10? 9 would go to Glads after he realizes the guy's a tp-er. Or at least "should".
i'd disagree because i think it's possible for black to handle his speed.
Originally posted by Philosophíathat's not even close to a reasonable comparison. midnighter is entirely dependant on physical combat and lacks physical superspeed. QQ on the other hand lacks physical superspeed, but his attacks themsleves are just thoughts, as he uses TP, so given the superspeed of his thought process (millions of times faster than humans'😉, it is perfectly plausible for him to counter a blitz with mindrape and to be able lock down on the mind of a speedster who otherwise thinks too fast for regular telepaths.
Not unless you think Midnighter's combat speed is in the microsecond teritory.Spoiler:
It's not
So you think Midnighter's mind operates by the microsecond, but his actual limbs are unable to move at those levels - in essence, frozen into his own body? By comparison Quentin, who is also frozen in his own body but otherwise has microsecond level thinking, also has telepathy - so he just has to think in order to counter?
You actually think their minds are so disproportionally fast compared to their bodies? Just in case you don't know what a microsecond is - it's one milionth of a second. Thus, if Midnighter/Quentin are in combat with an opponent, in the normal time of a passing second - they've already lived weeks in their mind - but still not having done much body-wise since it can't cope with the speed of their mind.
Just making sure you're fully embracing the absurdity of what you're saying. 🙂
Originally posted by Philosophía
So you think Midnighter's mind operates by the microsecond, but his actual limbs are unable to move at those levels - in essence, frozen into his own body? By comparison Quentin, who is also frozen in his own body but otherwise has microsecond level thinking, also has telepathy - so he just has to think in order to counter?You actually think their minds are so disproportionally fast compared to their bodies? Just in case you don't know what a microsecond is - it's one milionth of a second. Thus, if Midnighter/Quentin are in combat with an opponent, in the normal time of a passing second - they've already lived weeks in their mind - but still not having done much body-wise since it can't cope with the speed of their mind.
Just making sure you're fully embracing the absurdity of what you're saying. 🙂
Just making sure you're fully embracing the absurdity of what you're saying. 🙂
flash's power and the superfast reactions that accompany it are always on, whether he is using superspeed or not. does flash live weeks in his mind for every second he spends interacting with the world in normal speed? if he doesnt (and he doesnt), are his default reaction times any shorter because of it?
comics simply aren't written with this level of scrutiny in mind.
midnighter and QQ can clearly think at superspeeds and there is no reason to assume their initial mental reactions (which in QQ's case can translate into a TP attacks) are slower simply because they dont spend weeks in their minds for every second in the real world.
Originally posted by -Pr-
flash once lived a relative month (iirc) in about 30 seconds of normal time, and all he was doing was just standing there thinking...
yeah, i remember the incident too. but doesn't it seem like it must be an ability (superspeed thinking) that can be turned on and off? i mean, otherwise, he'd likely go mad just listening to someone speak.....
Originally posted by leonidas
yeah, i remember the incident too. but doesn't it seem like it must be an ability (superspeed thinking) that can be turned on and off? i mean, otherwise, he'd likely go mad just listening to someone speak.....
I honestly don't know. If I had to guess, I'd say writers just ignore it so that they can write their comics and get 22 pages out of a book.
Originally posted by 753Of course his mind isn't always at microsecond level in order for him to interact with normal people - but in battle, he can have everything standing still, and percieve microsecond (and much higher) level events.
Just making sure you're fully embracing the absurdity of what you're saying. 🙂flash's power and the superfast reactions that accompany it are always on, whether he is using superspeed or not. does flash live weeks in his mind for every second he spends interacting with the world in normal speed? if he doesnt (and he doesnt), are his default reaction times any shorter because of it?
comics simply aren't written with this level of scrutiny in mind
Which is what I'm asking you. In battle, are Midnighter and Quentin capable of spending relative weeks in a normal second frame of time, but unlike Flash their bodies aren't able to cope with that speed so, in essence, somebody like Midnighter is in physical paralysis, unable to physically attack his opponent but only limited to "calculating scenarios" while the world is frozen around him and, Quentin aswell, being stuck in a paralysis state but, unlike Midnighter, he can also deliver a telepathic assault?
Because that's what you're saying. That Midnighter's mind can operate in microsecond-level perception and speed. And that Quentin's can, aswell. But their bodies are not moving at those speeds, so in essence their minds are fully functional - but they're paralyzed in their own bodies. Except that Quentin has telepathy, so he can attack without moving his paralyzed body.
I'd appreciate if you stop dodging the question.
Originally posted by -Pr-👆
flash once lived a relative month (iirc) in about 30 seconds of normal time, and all he was doing was just standing there thinking...
That's what microsecond and more perception time implies. I'm now testing to see if he will go to the end with his absurd position that they have that level of mental speed but their bodies do not, thus they are paralyzed inside their own bodies, or admits its ridiculousness.
I (personally) always saw the things Midnighter did as kind of like that moment when the whole world seems to slow down, and you get that moment of clarity where you get to decide what happens next (playing sports and the like). So it would seem that their minds move ultra fast.
As for Quire... F*ck if i know.
Almost forgot... his bio also predicts him as a light speedster (and he has the best bio power stat wise that I have seen of "any" character).
http://www.imagebam.com/image/b81fb785101320
Now let me go get this thinking fast scan.
