Rank them in terms of strength 2

Originally posted by h1a8
Galactus in reality should have the same or better reflexes as Surfer. Also Glads doesn't start at light speed, he must accelerate to that speed. This takes time. With Surfer's reflexes Galactus would simply stop or slow down time and blast Glads. Or simply blast Glads since it would take Glads too long (relative to Galactus of course) to reach speeds in which Galactus can't react to.

Where are you getting that it takes time for Glads to fly at light? This same person that takes time flew at 100 times the speed of light instantly.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime

People are people they can say whatever they want even if it isn't true and i don't like it. Get a thicker skin or are you a masochist? You being uncomfortable with me dissing Wonder woman makes me happy. 😉

You're forgetting that it works both ways kiddo. People can *generally* say whatever they want (there are limits on free speech) and in turn people can respond how they choose. He/she has just as much right to respond as you have to post in the first place.

And I hate to speak for others but I think his/her distaste for your comments has less to do with liking Wonder Woman and more to do with not being a fan of misogyny in any context.

But as for the matter at hand, the differences between most of these characters are small at best.

1. Hulk (if we are to believe that he really will just keep getting stronger)
2. Superman
3. Orion, Marvel, Thor
4. Hercules, WW
5. Surfer

Characters I placed in the same rank are fairly evenly matched in my opinion or the difference is so small that it wouldn't be a deciding factor in a fight.

Originally posted by Sasaraixx
You're forgetting that it works both ways kiddo. People can *generally* say whatever they want (there are limits on free speech) and in turn people can respond how they choose. He/she has just as much right to respond as you have to post in the first place.

And I hate to speak for others but I think his/her distaste for your comments has less to do with liking Wonder Woman and more to do with not being a fan of misogyny in any context.

First of all mind your own buisness Q99 is a big boy. SO because I don't like bit ch ass wonder woman I don't like women. You are a f'n dick. I have plenty of women characters I like. One of my favorite characters is Mary Marvel. I dislike wolverine and Hulk does that mean I dislike men? Think before you get involved in something you know nothing about, less you make yourself look like an ass hole. I figure though that is a trait you are used to.

why exactly are cap and superman in different tiers? there strength has been said to be exact equals on panel in a arm wrestle, the same thing happend in marvel with thor and herc.

Originally posted by carver9
Where are you getting that it takes time for Glads to fly at light? This same person that takes time flew at 100 times the speed of light instantly.

If anyone can instantly move at light speed or beyond without having to accelerate to it then they can't be beat period.

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
why exactly are cap and superman in different tiers? there strength has been said to be exact equals on panel in a arm wrestle, the same thing happend in marvel with thor and herc.

WM Thor is an example
Unleashed Superman is another example

Also beings are upgraded or there dynamics change throughout the years. For example, Thing started off a class 5 but he is much higher than that now without explanation. Superman had several increases in strength even after he armwrestled CM. The comics even explicitly mention it. Characters can even get weaker over the years too. It all depends. I used to bench over 300lb. some years ago when I played division I baseball. Today I would be lucky just to get 250lb up once.

Lastly, The Thor and Herc thing isn't canon (although it did occur in a canon comic after the story was over just for shits and giggles).

Originally posted by Colossus-Big C
why exactly are cap and superman in different tiers? there strength has been said to be exact equals on panel in a arm wrestle, the same thing happend in marvel with thor and herc.

Superman and Cap are closer than WW and Superman are, but I call bullshit on them being dead equal. At best they've been shown to be peers.

Supes, Cap, Thor, Herc is all the same strength.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Pretty sure that arm wrestling contest was Cap vs Byrne Era Superman (who's weaker than current) and Cap had to strain himself to match him.

Superman and Cap are closer than WW and Superman are, but I call bullshit on them being dead equal. At best they've been shown to be peers.

He didn't so much strain as he stacked Atlas' power with Hercules in an effort to match Superman, something which we've not seen since when they've encountered one another. They also stalemated in arm-wrestling once before for hours on end with no clear winner. And while Superman's become more powerful, so has Cap.

They're shown and stated to be equal a great deal of the time as far as DC is concerned, though. Superman's other powers put him over Cap in terms of versatility, but in the physical sense, we see them stalemate and hear Superman concede that Cap is too evenly matched with himself or claims he is his equal.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
First of all mind your own buisness Q99 is a big boy. SO because I don't like bit ch ass wonder woman I don't like women. You are a f'n dick. I have plenty of women characters I like. One of my favorite characters is Mary Marvel. I dislike wolverine and Hulk does that mean I dislike men? Think before you get involved in something you know nothing about, less you make yourself look like an ass hole. I figure though that is a trait you are used to.

Q99 is perfectly capable of speaking for himself. I'm also allowed to comment as I see fit. If you are going to post on a forum, I would think that you'd expect people to respond. Otherwise you should utilize private messages.

And no, disliking WW does not make you a misogynist. Your comments separate from liking or disliking the character were problematic. Understanding that, however, would require a level of comprehension that is probably beyond your intellect. That is a shortcoming I am sure you are used to.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Pretty sure that arm wrestling contest was Cap vs Byrne Era Superman (who's weaker than current) and Cap had to strain himself to match him.

Superman and Cap are closer than WW and Superman are, but I call bullshit on them being dead equal. At best they've been shown to be peers.

Superman admitted on more than one occassion that Cap and his strength are pretty much equal. Hell, he almost had a heart attack off of Cap PL when he merged with him.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman admitted on more than one occassion that Cap and his strength are pretty much equal. Hell, he almost had a heart attack off of Cap PL when he merged with him.

Superman never unloaded multi planetary force on him (for good reason). Plus Clark has mental blocks that subconsciously makes him hold back his true strength. Character's words hold no water if there exists contradicting evidence shown around.

Originally posted by carver9
Superman admitted on more than one occassion that Cap and his strength are pretty much equal. Hell, he almost had a heart attack off of Cap PL when he merged with him.

Not really.

If you bring up Superman/Batman, ima smack you.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
He didn't so much strain as he stacked Atlas' power with Hercules in an effort to match Superman, something which we've not seen since when they've encountered one another. They also stalemated in arm-wrestling once before for hours on end with no clear winner. And while Superman's become more powerful, so has Cap.

They're shown and stated to be equal a great deal of the time as far as DC is concerned, though. Superman's other powers put him over Cap in terms of versatility, but in the physical sense, we see them stalemate and hear Superman concede that Cap is too evenly matched with himself or claims he is his equal.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime
First of all mind your own buisness Q99 is a big boy. SO because I don't like bit ch ass wonder woman I don't like women. You are a f'n dick. I have plenty of women characters I like. One of my favorite characters is Mary Marvel. I dislike wolverine and Hulk does that mean I dislike men? Think before you get involved in something you know nothing about, less you make yourself look like an ass hole. I figure though that is a trait you are used to.

Sasaraixx has the right of it- you act like a misogynist ass.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Has Superman ever gone all out against Cap though? We both know that a no-holding back Superman and normal Superman are totally different animals.

No and to my knowledge, neither has Cap gone all out on Superman. The closest examples would be Eclipso-possessed Superman and an Ultra-Humanite possessed Superman, though the second Eclipso-Supes didn't try to kill Cap - he was still exercising far less restraint than Superman himself does - and the Ultra-Humanite possessed Superman also had Wonder Woman and a host of other heroes backing them up.

The second eclipso supes fight showed that even while he himself is hesistant and fighting a less restrained superman, Cap could still match him in strength.

Remember when they locked hands? Dead even.

Originally posted by CosmicComet
The second eclipso supes fight showed that even while he himself is hesistant and fighting a less restrained superman, Cap could still match him in strength.

Remember when they locked hands? Dead even.

👆

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
No and to my knowledge, neither has Cap gone all out on Superman.

If not, then this argument is facile.

Originally posted by lawest9
Superman
Hulk
Thor
Captain Marvel (Billy)
Silver Surfer
Hercules (Marvel)-immortal
Wonder Woman
Orion

All class 100, But rank them in order from 1 to 8.