Rank them in terms of strength 2

Originally posted by h1a8
Superman never unloaded multi planetary force on him (for good reason). Plus Clark has mental blocks that subconsciously makes him hold back his true strength. Character's words hold no water if there exists contradicting evidence shown around.

Hush your mouth. You don't know what in the h*ll you are talking about. Superman unleashed those mental blocks on both Diana and Black Adam and they both held their own "while holding back".

Read some comics and then debate. You irritate me with this nonscense that you throw out and I'm not going to go 4 pages like other people do against you talking about a character or characters you have zero knowledge about.

Beautiful, Carver telling someone to read Comics about the chars he is debating, simply beautiful.

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Originally posted by Omega Vision
Does Cap have instances where he's shown to be considerably more powerful when "going all out" the way Superman does?

If not, then this argument is facile.

Captain Marvel never goes all out, its not in character for him but they are equals and in a fist fight, I would give CM the edge.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Beautiful, Carver telling someone to read Comics about the chars he is debating, simply beautiful.

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BP, please don't make me choke you.

I provide scans on every character I debate for. I'm just that good.

Originally posted by carver9
Captain Marvel never goes all out, its not in character for him but they are equals and in a fist fight, I would give CM the edge.

That's a no-limits fallacy.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Captain Marvel never going out doesn't mean we are to assume he'd be able to match an all-out Superman.

That's a no-limits fallacy.

Why wouldn't he be able to match him when in a holding back match with both, Captain Marvel tends to hold the edge. Superman punched and heat visioned Cap and he suffered no damage where Cap punched Superman one time and busted his face up. Remember, this was a holding back fight for both (Cap was actually smiling during this fight).

A going all out fight shouldn't look so good imo.

Heat vision from an all out Superman would have f'ed CM up. I don't think he wants to be on the wrong side of a HV blast from an all out Supes. Those things can go right through top tiers.

Originally posted by Allankles
Heat vision from an all out Superman would have f'ed CM up. I don't think he wants to be on the wrong side of a HV blast from an all out Supes. Those things can go right through top tiers.

A sun amped none holding back Supes that was trying to kill Diana heat visioned her from Earth all the way to the sun and it didn't cause her any physical damage and it didn't go through her. It was hurting but it was something that she brushed off when it was done (after she got him off of her). Stop making up crap.

Captain Marvel would handle that and fight through it. What would a all out blast of magical lightning or magical charged fist from an all out Cap do to Supes?

Originally posted by carver9
A sun amped none holding back Supes that was trying to kill Diana heat visioned her from Earth all the way to the sun and it didn't cause her any physical damage and it didn't go through her. It was hurting but it was something that she brushed off when it was done (after she got him off of her). Stop making up crap.

Captain Marvel would handle that and fight through it. What would a all out blast of magical lightning or magical charged fist from an all out Cap do to Supes?

....oh boy...first...she took the HV to her face and it burned to her bones, she then stuck her finger into his eyes and the HV went to the sides, though I'm sure between his cloed eyes, due to his eyelids...second, superman was out of his mind, fighting, which is not nearly anything like fighting smart, to his full potential or all out. He was angry but he was fighting max control too.

She didn't brush it off, he scarred her and burned to her bones. Read the comic Carver, seriously.

Originally posted by carver9
A sun amped none holding back Supes that was trying to kill Diana heat visioned her from Earth all the way to the sun and it didn't cause her any physical damage and it didn't go through her. It was hurting but it was something that she brushed off when it was done (after she got him off of her). Stop making up crap.

Captain Marvel would handle that and fight through it. What would a all out blast of magical lightning or magical charged fist from an all out Cap do to Supes?

He parboiled Despero's face. Martian Vision (less than Supes HV by feats) melted BA's face. Zod (a ruthless kryptonian) was able to blast Supes with HV that went through his shoulder.

Superman's HV itself has no known upper limit. It can apparently punch through a white dwarf star and reignite stars.

He's also used it - with one single planet-wide beam - to reheat the entire Earth and change it's climate.

No one was going to write WW's face getting destroyed by Supes HV, especially in her own title.

EDIT: And also, about 12 Kryptonians who had only just had their powers for a few days (or weeks at the most) were able to kill Doomsday with their heat vision.

Originally posted by carver9
Why wouldn't he be able to match him when in a holding back match with both, Captain Marvel tends to hold the edge. Superman punched and heat visioned Cap and he suffered no damage where Cap punched Superman one time and busted his face up. Remember, this was a holding back fight for both (Cap was actually smiling during this fight).

A going all out fight shouldn't look so good imo.

Let me put it in terms you'd understand. Hulk can get stronger when he gets angrier. Lets just say that at base Hercules starts off as strong as Hulk even if he's holding back.

Now we have Herc stop holding back while Hulk continues to get angrier, they're both going all out in their own ways but Hulk is stronger.

Read OWAW, when Superman starts cutting loose he's head and shoulders above his "peers".

Cap has no such showings that I can think of to suggest him not holding back would make him a match for a non-holding back Superman.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
....oh boy...first...she took the HV to her face and it burned to her bones, she then stuck her finger into his eyes and the HV went to the sides, though I'm sure between his cloed eyes, due to his eyelids...second, superman was out of his mind, fighting, which is not nearly anything like fighting smart, to his full potential or all out. He was angry but he was fighting max control too.

She didn't brush it off, he scarred her and burned to her bones. Read the comic Carver, seriously.

I forgot about it burning into her bones.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
....oh boy...first...she took the HV to her face and it burned to her bones, she then stuck her finger into his eyes and the HV went to the sides, though I'm sure between his cloed eyes, due to his eyelids...second, superman was out of his mind, fighting, which is not nearly anything like fighting smart, to his full potential or all out. He was angry but he was fighting max control too.

She didn't brush it off, he scarred her and burned to her bones. Read the comic Carver, seriously.

Show me that scan of it going through her. Her hands were also able to stop it. Superman WAS TRYING TO KILL HER BECAUSE HE THOUGHT SHE WAS DOOMSDAY THAT JUST KILLED LOIS. There was no control fighting, he UNLEASHED on her and Diana states this as well in this comic.

She brushed the attack off after it was done. She didn't put her hand in the mark, she didn't do anything after that but fight. It didn't have an ongoing pain towards her.

Fighting smart does not equal not going all out. Do you not know the difference? In that fight, Supes didn't hold back his punches or his power and tried to kill her on NUMEROUS of occassions. Now he could have fought smart and used his abilities DIFFERENT but she dealt with his true PL and did not get burned through like Allankle stated.

Originally posted by Allankles
I forgot about it burning into her bones.

Yep, his speed was also at least 5 times the speed of light, from sun to earth, at the very least.

Originally posted by Allankles
I forgot about it burning into her bones.

It didn't burn through her bones, she felt it on her bone. Nothing went through her. I am about to post the entire fight just to prove my point.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yep, his speed was also at least 5 times the speed of light, from sun to earth, at the very least.

Why was it 5 times the speed of light?

Originally posted by carver9
Why was it 5 times the speed of light?

Originally posted by carver9
Show me that scan of it going through her. Her hands were also able to stop it. Superman WAS TRYING TO KILL HER BECAUSE HE THOUGHT SHE WAS DOOMSDAY THAT JUST KILLED LOIS. There was no control fighting, he UNLEASHED on her and Diana states this as well in this comic.

She brushed the attack off after it was done. She didn't put her hand in the mark, she didn't do anything after that but fight. It didn't have an ongoing pain towards her.

Fighting smart does not equal not going all out. Do you not know the difference? In that fight, Supes didn't hold back his punches or his power and tried to kill her on NUMEROUS of occassions. Now he could have fought smart and used his abilities DIFFERENT but she dealt with his true PL and did not get burned through like Allankle stated.

He was fighting Maxs Control and all out means, to the best of his abilities, if you have as many as supes. He is not Hulk who has just his strength...

btw after it she had scars on her face, two deep scars, he just began to HV her.

And why it was 5 times the speed of light? It wasn't it was much more. Read the comic, then you will know why.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
...Carver...you're ignoring my argument.

Let me put it in terms you'd understand. Hulk can get stronger when he gets angrier. Lets just say that at base Hercules starts off as strong as Hulk even if he's holding back.

Now we have Herc stop holding back while Hulk continues to get angrier, they're both going all out in their own ways but Hulk is stronger.

Read OWAW, when Superman starts cutting loose he's head and shoulders above his "peers".

Cap has no such showings that I can think of to suggest him not holding back would make him a match for a non-holding back Superman.

That's like saying Black Adam>Supes since he takes on LOADS of top tiers and run through them and this is a consistent thing. Superman is powerful and Cap is powerful as well, both hold back and while holdng back, they are equals, with the gloves off, you can't make assumptions.

I seen OWAW... so you are basing that Supes is>Captain Marvel off of one story line? A story that didn't even involve Cap until the end?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
He was fighting Maxs Control and all out means, to the best of his abilities, if you have as many as supes. He is not Hulk who has just his strength...

btw after it she had scars on her face, two deep scars, he just began to HV her.

And why it was 5 times the speed of light? It wasn't it was much more. Read the comic, then you will know why.

It didn't go through her, she felt it on her bone. I never said she wouldn't feel it.

I want you to tell me why it was 5 times the speed of light so that I can "own" you.