Rank them in terms of strength 2

I guarantee that if Wonder Woman would fight Captain Marvel, she wouldn't lose - you can see War of the Gods, as an example. Or current Flaspoint Universe, where Wonder Woman fracked him up good, and where they'll likely fight again in the following issues.

We can look at how Superboy Prime physically compares with Black Adam, and we can look at how Superman does. We can look at how Martian Manhunter compares to Superman, and then look at how Black Adam does. We can look at how Jay Garrick compares to Black Adam, and how Superman does. We can look at how Wonder Woman compares to Captain Marvel, and then we'll compare how Superman compares with Wonder Woman. Since you seem to be so keen on taking Superman's word at face value, we'll see how he thinks that Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel's striking power compares.

More comparisons involving Superman? Let's look at how they compare when it comes to speed.

„In the blink of even your eye, I can be in the center of Metropolis”.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/blinkofcmeye.jpg

Let's see how an amped Captain Marvel (Hercules and Atlas), who surely given that he is stronger than normal and going against pre-Loeb's massive upgrade/Byrne Superman, can overwhelm him in arm-wrestling, no?

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/CMArmWrestle1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/CMArmWrestle2.jpg

Or not.

Eclipso Superman is not all-out Superman. Mind-controlled Superman is not all-out Superman. A few direct comparisons where Superman gives him props isn't enough to say that Captain Marvel equals an all-out, OWAW mindset or Darkseid confronting Superman. Superman is the king of verbal props to other characters, but when shit goes down, he's the one that's owning the opposition and plowing through attacks, while the ones who got the props are in the fetus position.

Originally posted by Omega Vision
Apokolips Now.

Infinite Crisis. Though technically speaking he was mind controlled, so its hard to gauge that.

Lol, you've tried to sell this bullshit about 'Lyta before. It didn't fly then it won't fly now.

Hypolyta herself was shocked when she saw Superman tear those probes apart, if she had done it as easily as you suggest why would she be so shocked?

Lol. Most of these showings contain context or are overblown. Do you want me to start including showings where Superman is sunamped/sundipped? Maybe his myriad of high end/bizarre feats in Final Crisis?

But this Thor crap is a Red Herring to distract from the fact that Cap lacks anything to support him being = to a non-holding back Superman. Focus on Cap, not Thor. We aren't discussing Thor here.

When did Supes had a fist fight with DS during IF? Please show.

How was Hypo shocked at Superman fighting the Probes when she was dead?

No they don't contain context. Thor under normal circumstances again, has some of the best showings out of the Heralds.

I still don't understand why you thinl Cap isn't equal to Supes.

Originally posted by Mindset
With equal speed Herc can do a lot more than just hang with them in a fight.

Yeah I was saying the ability of flight gave them the edge, but you are right it's the speed.

Originally posted by Philosophía
I guarantee that if Wonder Woman would fight Captain Marvel, she wouldn't lose - you can see War of the Gods, as an example. Or current Flaspoint Universe, where Wonder Woman fracked him up good, and where they'll likely fight again in the following issues.

We can look at how Superboy Prime physically compares with Black Adam, and we can look at how Superman does. We can look at how Martian Manhunter compares to Superman, and then look at how Black Adam does. We can look at how Jay Garrick compares to Black Adam, and how Superman does. We can look at how Wonder Woman compares to Captain Marvel, and then we'll compare how Superman compares with Wonder Woman. Since you seem to be so keen on taking Superman's word at face value, we'll see how he thinks that Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel's striking power compares.

More comparisons involving Superman? Let's look at how they compare when it comes to speed.

„In the blink of even your eye, I can be in the center of Metropolis”.
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/blinkofcmeye.jpg

Let's see how an amped Captain Marvel (Hercules and Atlas), who surely given that he is stronger than normal and going against pre-Loeb's massive upgrade/Byrne Superman, can overwhelm him in arm-wrestling, no?

http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/CMArmWrestle1.jpg
http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx28/PhilosophiaKMC/CMArmWrestle2.jpg

Or not.

Eclipso Superman is not all-out Superman. Mind-controlled Superman is not all-out Superman. A few direct comparisons where Superman gives him props isn't enough to say that Captain Marvel equals an all-out, OWAW mindset or Darkseid confronting Superman. Superman is the king of verbal props to other characters, but when shit goes down, he's the one that's owning the opposition and plowing through attacks, while the ones who got the props are in the fetus position.

http://m663.photobucket.com/albumview/albums/ankur29/592786-s_b_04_17_super.jpg.html?src=www&action=view&current=592786-s_b_04_17_super.jpg

a). Superman was weakened by kryptonite.
b). Verbal props, the same thing I already adressed in my post.
c). You're not helping your case of "Captain Marvel is as powerful as Superman" if you post a scan where Superman directly says that magic is a factor in their confrontations.
d). I'm glad you agree then, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel's striking power are at the same level.

You're just not very good at this.

Originally posted by carver9
When did Supes had a fist fight with DS during IF? Please show.

How was Hypo shocked at Superman fighting the Probes when she was dead?

No they don't contain context. Thor under normal circumstances again, has some of the best showings out of the Heralds.

I still don't understand why you thinl Cap isn't equal to Supes.

My bad on the Hypolyta bit, I was mixing it up with something else. Still you are leaving out some important information regarding that incident. For one Lyta was amped considerably, she had the Gauntlets of Atlas which grant a 10x strength amp and the Sandals of Hermes which grant a 10x speed increase, not to mention she had some fairly potent weapons.

So to act like plain old 'Lyta could beat two probes is just inane.

They do contain context, you're just unaware of that context/ignoring it to serve your own arguments. Still just a Red Herring to distract from the fact you don't have a real argument.

I don't believe it because Cap is only shown to be comparable to a holding back Superman, and no-holding back Supes is much more powerful.

Carver, warned for trolling, baiting, etc.

I think "no holding back Superman" is a bit of an outdated concept. The idea was that he was holding himself in check unconsciously since childhood and thus he was actually more powerful than he let himself be due to his subconscious mental blocks blah blah.

But New Krypton didnt really show the powerlevels of Kryptonians with none of Supermans "mental blocks" as being anything particularly special. They all seemed like Superman but with much less experience in using their powers skilfully and a lot of them looked much less powerful due to being fodder. According to the holding back theory they should have been monsters. The idea that other Kryptonians were more powerful was briefly in play when Kara first showed up but since then shes rapidly drifted down to be a definite second fiddle to your everyday Superman in terms of power and i dont think the ideas been mentioned since.

It was a nice idea i guess back in 2001 but it seems to have died off when Loeb left DC and i think people (understandably i suppose) make way too big a deal out of it. Much more likely than not CM and Superman will be shown as peers no matter what.

Originally posted by Hyperion Prime

As far as responding to my post. There are open post that leave room to be responed by everyone, and post directed to certain people. My post was the second kind. You are not Q99, but I will address why you feel the need to protect him in my next paragraph.

You are a person who is insecure about his sexuality, which is why you are trying so hard to understand why you feel like I insulted you when in reality I was insulting Wonder Woman. Your inability to express your feelings to Q99 is not my problem. If you have gay feelings for him or need to protect him then do as you feel. I will no longer be responding to you as I have stuff to do and tend to stay away from those protecting those they love. Jealous women or jealous guy/women who think like women are the worst kind to be around. [/B]

And again, if you post in a public forum you invite anyone to respond. You should have utilized the private message function.

You are still not able to understand the point I was making from the beginning. Instead, you try to attack my sexuality, which btw, was never in doubt. Nor did I ever say that you insulted me. I realize that I am asking you to operate on a level of discussion about that of 8th grade name calling. Your initial comment was misogynistic. Saying that I am in love with Q99 doesn't change that. Now if you want to have a real discussion as to why that is, then send me a message.

Originally posted by Fifthchild
I think "no holding back Superman" is a bit of an outdated concept. The idea was that he was holding himself in check unconsciously since childhood and thus he was actually more powerful than he let himself be due to his subconscious mental blocks blah blah.

But New Krypton didnt really show the powerlevels of Kryptonians with none of Supermans "mental blocks" as being anything particularly special. They all seemed like Superman but with much less experience in using their powers skilfully and a lot of them looked much less powerful due to being fodder. According to the holding back theory they should have been monsters. The idea that other Kryptonians were more powerful was briefly in play when Kara first showed up but since then shes rapidly drifted down to be a definite second fiddle to your everyday Superman in terms of power and i dont think the ideas been mentioned since.

The 'holding back' thing is really about Superman specifically; he's stronger than just about any other Kryptonian. Also, the difference between a highly experienced fighter with a massive willpower pushing himself to the limit is a lot different than someone who isn't holding back, but also isn't experienced or used to pushing themselves to their limits. Learning how to push oneself to the max is a skill too.

There is a noticeable disparity between his normal fighting and when he really goes all-out. Superman vs the Elite or Superman vs Imperiex probes are both illustrations.

In this order.....

Black Adam/Superman
Hulk
Captain Marvel/Thor/ Hercules/Orion
Wonder Woman
Sub-Mariner
Silver Surfer

Why do you feel Black Adam is significantly stronger than Captain Marvel?

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Why do you feel Black Adam is significantly stronger than Captain Marvel?

Originally posted by Fifthchild
I think "no holding back Superman" is a bit of an outdated concept. The idea was that he was holding himself in check unconsciously since childhood and thus he was actually more powerful than he let himself be due to his subconscious mental blocks blah blah.

But New Krypton didnt really show the powerlevels of Kryptonians with none of Supermans "mental blocks" as being anything particularly special. They all seemed like Superman but with much less experience in using their powers skilfully and a lot of them looked much less powerful due to being fodder. According to the holding back theory they should have been monsters. The idea that other Kryptonians were more powerful was briefly in play when Kara first showed up but since then shes rapidly drifted down to be a definite second fiddle to your everyday Superman in terms of power and i dont think the ideas been mentioned since.

It was a nice idea i guess back in 2001 but it seems to have died off when Loeb left DC and i think people (understandably i suppose) make way too big a deal out of it. Much more likely than not CM and Superman will be shown as peers no matter what.

Originally posted by Mindset
Hulk
Superman
Orion/Cap/Thor/Herc
SS
WW

Originally posted by celeyhyga17
Superman/Hulk
Thor/Hercules/Orion
Captain Marvel
Silver Surfer
Wonder Woman

👆 👆

Except I would probably put CM right up there with the 2nd tier.

1.Superman/Orion
2.Hulk
3.Hercules/Thor
4.Wonder Woman/Captain Marvel
5. Silver Surfer