Minato vs A

Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Whether or not he's right is another matter entirely, and one I'm not going to concern myself with, seeing as we have currently have no way to determine if he actually has seen Minato in action (or talked to someone who has seen both Minato & A in action, like Killerbee) or is basing it on basic knowledge.

This was more my point and a reason that I did not care to entertain it beyond "A already had his level 1 shroud up."

I am of the opinion that he was talking about level 1 A shroud.

There's also a major problem of that guy really being too young to even have seen The Yellow Flash in action. 🙂

Sorry for the triple post:

Could someone prove that A's speed increased with his second amp?

Additionally, I do not read that A's speed, without the electrical amp, is like that at base. It's like that with the electrical amp. Additionally, he's only that fast/has that reaction time WITH the electrical amps. You guys are reading what was stated by C, incorrectly.

Additionally, there's no reason to believe that he got any faster/increased his reaction time with the second amp. He could have just increased his strength. In fact, his best speed feats are in his first level electrical form.

Additionally, there's not speed feat comparable to the instant movement (without FTG) to Minato taking his son while Madara was slash attacking, and ending up on the well behind Madara. Unless, of course, you think Madara is slow. 🙂

Originally posted by dadudemon
Cry harder, please. Just fess up that you did not realize what I was saying and deal. This entire argument hinges on you not reading or understanding things that occurred, prior, in the thread. No need to try and save face any further, on your part.

The simple fact that AA knew exactly what I was talking about proves that you are the odd man out, on this one. It is "your arrogance" that prevents you from admitting this.

1. Still doesn't change what I said abou the subject, overall. Do I REALLY have to quote where it was said he didn't have it on?

2. He did have the shroud, end of. It's the difference between level 1 and 2 that is in question, of which, I never addressed nor will I ever as it's impossible to determine how things stack up.

3. Nice: instead of addressing the point, you try and turn it back on me with a point you've already made and I've already addressed. Try harder to not talk in circles.

4. Let me show you how silly this point is: ZOMG! LIEK, U TOE TALL EE DID NOT EVEN SAY DIS B 4! YOU SHOULD BE CLEARER! DUR The fact that I never argued against that point is irrelevent you A fanboy. 😐

5. Den moar comprehensions on ur part, pleez.

6. Addressed this already: I am serious when I say, "no u."

That was your post in shorter words. I read the thread in its entirety (Although I was too lazy to click on most of the links admittedly), I know what you were saying. I just don't think the way you went about saying it was sufficient.

That said, I will admit I was probably too offensive when I came into this thread, and I apologise for that.

1. No, but that is not really what DP said. He was saying that C said Raikage at base is already has reactions equal to Minato. Which I think is probably hyperbole personally, but whatever.

2. I know he had the shroud. And why not address it? To be honest, it would be more baseless to assume the level 2 of his shroud did not increase his speed further, at least based on logic, since it is a technique that increases strength and speed, logically a higher level would do so to a greater extent, no? That said, I cannot be entirely sure I am right about this, largely because I forgot at what point A begins using the level 2 shroud. Oh, and you actually did not so much as mention the level 2 Lightning Release Armour until this post, right now. So clearly it wasn't in question at all, with the only post that referenced the Raiton Armour actually had a level too being DP's first post.

3. Please do not pretend that line in particular that I was responding to had an actual "point," beyond accusing me of saving face.

4. When you speak in all caps to mock who you are replying to, try to be clearer, since I am having trouble understanding what you are saying at the moment. And no, it is not irrelevant. He made a point that you did not really debate. This is a debate. Therefore, you should actually debate it. Also, "A fanboy"? Not only have I not said who would win in this thread, but let it be known that I DO in fact believe Minato should win, based on both feats and hype. Do I like A better as a character? Yes, Minato bores the piss out of me. But I hardly consider myself an A fanboy.

5. I comprehend the thread just fine.

6. No u. 😄

This thread is weird. Everyone thinks Minato will win except Q99 and that other guy, and yet they aren't really doing any arguing.

That said, level 2 of the Armor was used around the time Sasuke activated his MS. Though it isn't called that I don't think, A still seems to be different, what with his hair standing up and such.

And hey cowboy, I thought A was like your favorite Naruto character evar? Or did Random Love Letter Guy take that spot?

I do like A. I am a fan of both him and his brother. Although they do pale compared to Random Love Letter Guy, who is by far the most incredibly amazing character in Naruto.

But it is not like I do not like other characters as much as A or B.

Like who out of curiosity?

Zabuza, Kisame, Madara, Jiraiya, Onoki, Hinata (<3), Temari, Hashirama (I really don't know why to be honest), after Konan's admittedly badass last stand she has won my favour as well, to name a few.

Can I call this thread over now?

Yea, no surprise that a draw is the most likely outcome. And hey, new info!

Raikage showed high-speed combat and the ability to fight and react with a very high speed foe without problem, in 'mere' normal level armor.

If they did fight to the finish, unlike any of their historic fights, even if Minato could get 2 or 3 solid hits for every 1 A dishes out, A should eventually come out on top.

Unless Minato can pull something with his sealing jutsu at least (even if A is able to win in a direct fight due to power matchups, Minato has a wider range of powers), though I don't see how he'd be able to apply them without the ability to touch A through the armor.

Though Raikage says Minato would never be surpassed, which indicates that Minato was equal or above him when they fought.

I could be a complete douche and say Minato can always make this a tie with one sealing technique...😖hifty:

That said, A doesn't think anyone would surpass Minato. So I'd say Minato actually won those battles in the past more often than not. 😛

A's words clearly indicate he thought of Minato as superior to him.

From the start we've known that Minato has additional areas of speciality that add to his power but are of little use against A (seals, space-time barrier), so I don't think acknowledging him as overall the more powerful ninja changes the equation between them.

Hmmm...

Minato uses FTG to get behind A, hit him with Rasengan. And then when A attacks, space time barrier to send his fist into A's own back through a seal placed there.

😮

Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Hmmm...

Minato uses FTG to get behind A, hit him with Rasengan. And then when A attacks, space time barrier to send his fist into A's own back through a seal placed there.

😮

Space-time barrier takes setup time 🙂

No more than other jutsu. And with FTG, he has plenty of time. 😮

Originally posted by NemeBro
You were saying "He already had the shroud up I win."

That was your post in shorter words. I read the thread in its entirety (Although I was too lazy to click on most of the links admittedly), I know what you were saying. I just don't think the way you went about saying it was sufficient.

That said, I will admit I was probably too offensive when I came into this thread, and I apologise for that.

1. No, but that is not really what DP said. He was saying that C said Raikage at base is already has reactions equal to Minato. Which I think is probably hyperbole personally, but whatever.

2. I know he had the shroud. And why not address it? To be honest, it would be more baseless to assume the level 2 of his shroud did not increase his speed further, at least based on logic, since it is a technique that increases strength and speed, logically a higher level would do so to a greater extent, no? That said, I cannot be entirely sure I am right about this, largely because I forgot at what point A begins using the level 2 shroud. Oh, and you actually did not so much as mention the level 2 Lightning Release Armour until this post, right now. So clearly it wasn't in question at all, with the only post that referenced the Raiton Armour actually had a level too being DP's first post.

3. Please do not pretend that line in particular that I was responding to had an actual "point," beyond accusing me of saving face.

4. When you speak in all caps to mock who you are replying to, try to be clearer, since I am having trouble understanding what you are saying at the moment. And no, it is not irrelevant. He made a point that you did not really debate. This is a debate. Therefore, you should actually debate it. Also, "A fanboy"? Not only have I not said who would win in this thread, but let it be known that I DO in fact believe Minato should win, based on both feats and hype. Do I like A better as a character? Yes, Minato bores the piss out of me. But I hardly consider myself an A fanboy.

5. I comprehend the thread just fine.

6. No u. 😄

I told you I wouldn't debate your stupidity, further.

Originally posted by dadudemon
Just fess up that you did not realize what I was saying and deal. This entire argument hinges on you not reading or understanding things that occurred, prior, in the thread. No need to try and save face any further, on your part.

The simple fact that AA knew exactly what I was talking about proves that you are the odd man out, on this one. It is "your arrogance" that prevents you from admitting this.

Originally posted by Q99
Space-time barrier takes setup time 🙂

It did not seem like he had much time to set it up. How much time, relative to other jutsu, do you think it took to setup?

Originally posted by dadudemon
I told you I wouldn't debate your stupidity, further.

But yeah, it seems pretty clear that Minato would win.

AuraAngel
No more than other jutsu. And with FTG, he has plenty of time. 😮

What, use FTG to make distance and then set it up? A'd just go around the barrier.

And it definitely wouldn't let him set it up in the situation you outlined of using it in response to a punch.

Originally posted by dadudemon
It did not seem like he had much time to set it up. How much time, relative to other jutsu, do you think it took to setup?

It looked to be faster than the charge of the menace ball but did require multiple hand signs, and he also had his hands in a specific formation with a kunai the entire time it was active, so it's something he needs to hold up. Not a super-long time, but not something that's useful against a fast HtH attack.

It's a powerful defensive jutsu but doesn't grant the kind of hijinks Aura suggested and it strikes me as being ill-suited for use against A's style of attacks specifically (it would be great, however, against someone like Deidara, Naruto's rasenshuriken, or possibly even Onoki's big attacks).