[SPOILER from last manga chapter]
Naruto: "You are pretty fast grandpa Raikage"
Raikage: "I am the fastest shinobi alive, now that the forth hokage has passed away"
Naruto: "You knew my dad?"
Raikage: "We butted heads on more then one occasion. He was a great man, one I thought would never be surpassed"
So, no guys, Raikage isn't faster then Minato, even for his own account. Besides in manga it says that Raikage is on Minato's level WITH raiton armor. And according to A's on quote, he thought Minato was the greatest shinobi alive at his time.
Originally posted by Darth Angel
[SPOILER from last manga chapter]Naruto: "You are pretty fast grandpa Raikage"
Raikage: "I am the fastest shinobi alive, now that the forth hokage has passed away"
Naruto: "You knew my dad?"
Raikage: "We butted heads on more then one occasion. He was a great man, one I thought would never be surpassed"So, no guys, Raikage isn't faster then Minato, even for his own account. Besides in manga it says that Raikage is on Minato's level WITH raiton armor. And according to A's on quote, he thought Minato was the greatest shinobi alive at his time.
We were talking about reflexes, not speed.
Thanks to FTG, Minato is obviously much 'faster' for all intents and purposes. It's got hardly any lag (limited by Minato's reactions, which are considerably high), is obviously not limited by distance, and is hardly chakra intensive, meaning he can spam it to his heart's content.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
1. It's yours?
2. Sorta like A. vin
3. Minato's Kunai anyway. 😛
4. Not when Jugo can speak a full sentence while Sasuke is running.
5. The reason I don't is because Rin is using her thought bubble describing it later. 😮
6. I knew which chapters anyway. And nah. Zetsu can still be surprised by the speed without it being lightspeed. And Minato is still unrivaled.
1. You never took my eye!
2. Nothing like A. A has made Naruto & Sasuke look second best. No one else in the manga has done that.
3. Minato was throwing normal kunai. 😛
4. Just Like how Kushina can scream two names while an explosion is happening that Minato out speeds.
5. Rin didn't know about FTG. Not to mention, she had that thought after Minato definitely used FTG.
6. If he isn't surprised by Light-speed movement, what makes you think he'll be surprised by much slower movement? At the very least, Raikage is close to Light-speed in base mode awesome
Only in strength. Speed still belongs to A, despite A's own words. He's fueled by Rage. 😛
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
He likes toying with his enemies.Maybe Madara is lying about you?
He's never toyed with anyone in Part 2.
He cannot comprehend me, so he could not possibly lie about me.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
Yep. cry
Wuss.
Originally posted by TheAuraAngel
This thread is weird. Everyone thinks Minato will win except Q99 and that other guy, and yet they aren't really doing any arguing.That said, level 2 of the Armor was used around the time Sasuke activated his MS. Though it isn't called that I don't think, A still seems to be different, what with his hair standing up and such.
It isn't called anything.
It's just an intense activation of the shroud, to the point where his chakra usage likely reaches Hachibi levels.
Originally posted by dadudemon
This was more my point and a reason that I did not care to entertain it beyond "A already had his level 1 shroud up."I am of the opinion that he was talking about level 1 A shroud.
There's also a major problem of that guy really being too young to even have seen The Yellow Flash in action. 🙂
Yeah, but your initial post did not convey that, but it is irrelevant.
Based on C's sentence construction, I am of the opinion that he was talking about A in Base mode.
We don't really know that. He seems about as old as Darui, who was around when the Third Raikage was alive.
A & B have both seen Minato in action, and C could have easily obtained his info from them, or could have formed his own conclusion based on what they told him about Minato's speed/reactions.
~ Arguing for the sake of arguing.
Originally posted by NemeBroA's village is like fu(king wakanda bro, they have all the intell on everyone and stockpile arms just because.
Well, A is not "dumb," per say.He is just exceedingly stubborn.
But yeah, Minato is almost definitely more intelligent than A. Probably one of the more intelligent characters in the series I guess, the only characters that come to mind who I would say are definitely more intelligent are assholes like Madara.
he's a total throwback to the old days when all the villages were at each other's throats.
tyson would kill the shit out of stephen hawking
so cash
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Yeah, but your initial post did not convey that, but it is irrelevant.
It certainly did: I clearly said that he "already had his shroud on."
That should have been the end of it.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
We don't really know that. He seems about as old as Darui,
Proof?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
A & B have both seen Minato in action,,
Proof?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
and C could have easily obtained his info from them, or could have formed his own conclusion based on what they told him about Minato's speed/reactions.
Proof?
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
~ Arguing for the sake of arguing.
AHA!
So your real intentions are known.
Originally posted by dadudemon
It certainly did: I clearly said that he "already had his shroud on."That should have been the end of it.
Right, and as I've pointed out, C's words do not agree with you.
Meh. This is getting pointless. We've all agreed that C is fallible, and that Minato would win more often than not.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Proof?
Your proof that he's too young to have seen Minato in action?
I merely came up with a claim to match your own.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Proof?
I don't need to comment on A seeing Minato in action.
B had a flashback to Minato using a Rasengan (with his kunai scattered about iirc), when Naruto told him about the Rasengan.
EDIT: Meh, read the latest chapter. Concrete proof. But that was obviously not what I was referring to.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Proof?
I'm sure A has not stated anything about a man he considers unsurpassable, to one of his right-hand men. The very idea is preposterous.
Originally posted by dadudemon
AHA!So your real intentions are known.
Naturally. I revealed them. 😛
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Right, and as I've pointed out, C's words do not agree with you.
I disagree: his words agree with me. So, basically, "nuh-uh!" 😛
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Your proof that he's too young to have seen Minato in action?
I merely came up with a claim to match your own.
C is very young looking. He looks barely older than Naruto, if at all.
He would have to be a very young child or even a toddler/newborn aroun the time A and Minato fought.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I don't need to comment on A seeing Minato in action.B had a flashback to Minato using a Rasengan (with his kunai scattered about iirc), when Naruto told him about the Rasengan.
EDIT: Meh, read the latest chapter. Concrete proof. But that was obviously not what I was referring to.
Awesome.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I'm sure A has not stated anything about a man he considers unsurpassable, to one of his right-hand men. The very idea is preposterous.
Only because of how Arrogant A is.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Naturally. I revealed them. 😛
😄
Originally posted by dadudemon
I disagree: his words agree with me. So, basically, "nuh-uh!" 😛
NO U.
Originally posted by dadudemon
C is very young looking. He looks barely older than Naruto, if at all.He would have to be a very young child or even a toddler/newborn aroun the time A and Minato fought.
Darui looks young as well. Just so happens that like Minato & Sasuke, C happens to be something of a pretty-boy. Yet he's knowledgeable about Itachi & the Mangekyou Sharingan.
Originally posted by dadudemon
Only because of how Arrogant A is.
Regardless of how arrogant he is, he knows strength when he sees it.
I'm pretty sure that somewhere down the road, he'll be telling tales of how a teenager forced him to give up his preferred arm. 313
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
NO U.
kitty Meow.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Darui looks young as well. Just so happens that like Minato & Sasuke, C happens to be something of a pretty-boy. Yet he's knowledgeable about Itachi & the Mangekyou Sharingan.
Darui looks closer to 30 than 16, though. C looks closer to 16 than 20. I know it's just a drawing...but he does look like a teen a little bit older than Naruto.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
Regardless of how arrogant he is, he knows strength when he sees it.
Only to Naruto, Tsunade, and B. He's never talked "high" of someone other than this one moment. He's had enough dialogue, now, to have talked nice about someone. Well, there was that one time he was a bit surprised at Sasuke's chidori blade reaching his pecs.
Originally posted by Demonic Phoenix
I'm pretty sure that somewhere down the road, he'll be telling tales of how a teenager forced him to give up his preferred arm. 313
Nah. It will be something like: "I fought against the mighty evil Sasuke and his hax mangekyou sharingan and I still kicked his arse. I only lost an arm and I WOULD have defeated him at the cost of my foot and ankle. Yup, I was that close to defeating one of the most powerful shinobi the world has known. Punk *ss b*tches ain't SH*T, yo! 313"
Guys, it seems to me that you are all just arguing for the sake of argument.
Anyway, IMO they are both very close, and while A maybe the best taijutsu user from the entire series, i think Minato would still be the winner. More then all the tools he has, he has something definitely better then A: his genius fighting style intellect.
It's obvious that Minato's intelligence in battle is on level of guys like Shikamaru, maybe even better, that's why I think he would beat A, because he just doesn't have incredible weapons and tools to use in battle, he also knows how to maximaze their use in every situation, and that's what turns him in such dangerous foe IMO.
And anyway,
Spoiler:
It seems pretty clear by the last chapter that Minato could have beat A AND Killer Bee on his own. That is something that is almost beyond Kage level (High Kage level for sure). In fact, he seems to overshadow any Kage level fighter he ever fought or shared the same space with, and we are talking about people like Madara, Sarutobi, Orochimaru, A, Killer Bee etc.