Clubber Lang vs. Ivan Drago

Originally posted by juggerman
It clear you just want to ignore it. He did need to as the shots he did take put him down and he clearly felt he couldn't just wade thru them

Creed is no Rocky when it comes to durability. Lang would have laid waste to him. HE never got the opportunity to show his punching power on a machine so that point is nil

Again with the need. Post some proof instead of wild speculation.

He's still a world heavyweight champion and went the distance with Rocky twice, something Lang couldn't even come close to doing. Also, in the first film Rocky was giving him internal injuries and internal bleeding and he still stayed in the fight. Then Drago comes along and annihilates him in two rounds. Drago was showed using the machine, because Stallone obviously intended for Drago to be Rocky's most powerful opponent.

I really have no idea why jug is being this stubborn. I don't understand how it's so hard to accept that Rocky was pushing himself to his physical peak in Rocky IV, past a level he had gone in any of the previous films, or why it's so hard to accept that Drago had the hardest hitting punch of any Rocky opponent thus far (including Clubber), when the film went out of it's way to showcase exactly how powerful Drago hits and how it is more powerful than anything that has come before it.

Besides your subjective interpretation of Rocky's blocking (which can easily and is meant be interpreted as his training, since, you know, he trained harder to fight Drago than he did against Clubber), please provide any evidence you have whatsoever that Clubber can hit harder than "the average heavyweight".

You seem to have this insane notion that Rocky's durability and physical stats stay static throughout the four films, that all of Rocky's training regimens would produce the same kind of physical output. He needed speed to fight Clubber, which is why he worked on footwork and agility. Against Drago, he worked on building more muscle mass than he had in the previous films so he could tank 2000 psi hits that he didn't face previously.

I could repeat this ad nauseam. Your interpretation of Rocky's blocking is at best a nitpick and at worst complete idiocy and misunderstanding of the concepts of training regimens and the specific effects each had on the human body and pretty much event that took place in Rocky IV. It is made absolutely, abundantly, undisputedly clear that Drago can hit harder than anybody Rocky's ever faced, including Clubber. /debate.

Well said. He probably just has a crush on mr. T.

Well Adrian never accepted his offer, so if juggerman is ready...

Originally posted by Lestov16
Well Adrian never accepted his offer, so if juggerman is ready...

I pity the fool who's not ready for mister T.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Again with the need. Post some proof instead of wild speculation.

He's still a world heavyweight champion and went the distance with Rocky twice, something Lang couldn't even come close to doing. Also, in the first film Rocky was giving him internal injuries and internal bleeding and he still stayed in the fight. Then Drago comes along and annihilates him in two rounds. Drago was showed using the machine, because Stallone obviously intended for Drago to be Rocky's most powerful opponent.

I did. The video is proof.

If Rocky fought Lang the way he did Apollo then he'd be KO'd within two rounds. Rocky does not hit anywhere near as hard as Drago so that doesn't really prove anything.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I really have no idea why jug is being this stubborn. I don't understand how it's so hard to accept that Rocky was pushing himself to his physical peak in Rocky IV, past a level he had gone in any of the previous films, or why it's so hard to accept that Drago had the hardest hitting punch of any Rocky opponent thus far (including Clubber), when the film went out of it's way to showcase exactly how powerful Drago hits and how it is more powerful than anything that has come before it.

Besides [b]your subjective interpretation of Rocky's blocking (which can easily and is meant be interpreted as his training, since, you know, he trained harder to fight Drago than he did against Clubber), please provide any evidence you have whatsoever that Clubber can hit harder than "the average heavyweight".

You seem to have this insane notion that Rocky's durability and physical stats stay static throughout the four films, that all of Rocky's training regimens would produce the same kind of physical output. He needed speed to fight Clubber, which is why he worked on footwork and agility. Against Drago, he worked on building more muscle mass than he had in the previous films so he could tank 2000 psi hits that he didn't face previously.

I could repeat this ad nauseam. Your interpretation of Rocky's blocking is at best a nitpick and at worst complete idiocy and misunderstanding of the concepts of training regimens and the specific effects each had on the human body and pretty much event that took place in Rocky IV. It is made absolutely, abundantly, undisputedly clear that Drago can hit harder than anybody Rocky's ever faced, including Clubber. /debate. [/B]

What part of Rocky blocking and dodging one opponent and not the other is subjective? What part of the character's statements explaining to Rocky(and the viewers for that matter) that Rocky cannot stand toe to toe with one opponent but not the other is subjective?

Powering thru Rocky's superhuman durability is prrof Clubber hits harder than the normal heavyweight.

Which training did Rocky do that made his head more durable?

Wrong again. The fights, the character lines and the focus of training prove who was the harder hitter. and that was Clubber

Originally posted by Psychotron
I pity the fool who's not ready for mister T.

juggerquan is as ready for Mr. T as the real quan is for Tommy boy.

Originally posted by juggerman
I did. The video is proof.

If Rocky fought Lang the way he did Apollo then he'd be KO'd within two rounds. Rocky does not hit anywhere near as hard as Drago so that doesn't really prove anything.

The video where he takes a bunch of clean hits and mocks Lang? OK.

There's no proof that Clubber hits anywhere near as hard as Drago. In fact, seeing how easily Rocky koed Lang, there's no proof Lang hits harder than Rocky either. Rocky has won every single fight via knockout, even in his 50s he was strong enough to squat 400+ and clean and jerk 300+.

Originally posted by juggerman
What part of Rocky blocking and dodging one opponent and not the other is subjective? What part of the character's statements explaining to Rocky(and the viewers for that matter) that Rocky cannot stand toe to toe with one opponent but not the other is subjective?

Powering thru Rocky's superhuman durability is prrof Clubber hits harder than the normal heavyweight.

Which training did Rocky do that made his head more durable?

Wrong again. The fights, the character lines and the focus of training prove who was the harder hitter. and that was Clubber

Character statements are 100% subjective, and while Clubber may have been intended to be Rocky's strongest opponent that changed when Drago was created. Hence the PSI scene.

Rocky trained for strength and stamina, he had far more staying power in Rocky IV then than in Rocky III.

Originally posted by Psychotron
The video where he takes a bunch of clean hits and mocks Lang? OK.

There's no proof that Clubber hits anywhere near as hard as Drago. In fact, seeing how easily Rocky koed Lang, there's no proof Lang hits harder than Rocky either. Rocky has won every single fight via knockout, even in his 50s he was strong enough to squat 400+ and clean and jerk 300+.

He never mocked Lang after taking a clean hit

Rocky KOing Lang has no bearing on how hard Lang hit

Originally posted by Psychotron
Character statements are 100% subjective, and while Clubber may have been intended to be Rocky's strongest opponent that changed when Drago was created. Hence the PSI scene.

Rocky trained for strength and stamina, he had far more staying power in Rocky IV then than in Rocky III.

Character statement are only added on top of everything else we see that points in the same direction

Where was increased durability of his head established?

Originally posted by juggerman
Character statement are only added on top of everything else we see that points in the same direction

Where was increased durability of his head established?

They're added on top of nothing. You have no argument and no proof.

No one is talking about durability. We're talking about stamina and willpower.

Originally posted by juggerman
He never mocked Lang after taking a clean hit

Rocky KOing Lang has no bearing on how hard Lang hit

He did.

I was pointing out that Rocky is actually very strong and by screen feats is probably stronger than Lang.

YouTube video

Originally posted by Psychotron
They're added on top of nothing. You have no argument and no proof.

No one is talking about durability. We're talking about stamina and willpower.

He did.

I was pointing out that Rocky is actually very strong and by screen feats is probably stronger than Lang.

They are added whether you want to admit it or not

Taking a shot to the head repeatedly required durability.

He didn't. He mocked when he blocked. When he took the shots clean he went down

He wasn't stronger than Lang. KOing someone doesn't make you stronger than them. If that were the case Rocky would be stronger than Drago as well

Originally posted by Robtard
YouTube video

That settles it

Originally posted by juggerman

Where was increased durability of his head established?

probably with the rest of the body in the Hearts on Fire training montage where he gains much more muscle mass than he needed for Clubber. Again, your belief that the human body's durability is static and can not be affected by exercise is absurd.

Originally posted by juggerman
They are added whether you want to admit it or not

Taking a shot to the head repeatedly required durability.

He didn't. He mocked when he blocked. When he took the shots clean he went down

He wasn't stronger than Lang. KOing someone doesn't make you stronger than them. If that were the case Rocky would be stronger than Drago as well

I'll admit when you come with a reasonable argument.

And stamina

Nope.

Clubber KOed one guy on screen, Rocky took down over a dozen. And then there are Rocky's training montages. By screen feats Rocky is likely stronger than Lang.

Originally posted by juggerman
What part of Rocky blocking and dodging one opponent and not the other is subjective? What part of the character's statements explaining to Rocky(and the viewers for that matter) that Rocky cannot stand toe to toe with one opponent but not the other is subjective?

What character? I know for damn sure you aren't talking about Mickey, because that means you take the word of the boxing trainer over that of a supercomputer that records Drago hitting at over 2000 psi. If not, what character?

Originally posted by juggerman
Powering thru Rocky's superhuman durability is prrof Clubber hits harder than the normal heavyweight.

Again, that ridiculous "durability is static" thing. You honestly think Rocky was as durable in 3 as he was in 4? Had he gone against Drago in III physical shape, he would have been Apollo-ed. Stop ignoring that Rocky's training in IV made him more durable, which is why he tanked more damage.

Also, there the notion that in the entire 15 round fight against Drago, Rocky blocked less than the times in the mere 3 round fight against Clubber, is again absurd.

Originally posted by juggerman
Which training did Rocky do that made his head more durable?

"Hearts on firreee..."

What the hell is it with you and this inability to accept that people can increase their durability by gaining muscle mass, and that his training regimen would produce far more bulk than his Rocky 3 fight, which was focused mainly on speed and agility?

Originally posted by juggerman
Wrong again. The fights, the character lines and the focus of training prove who was the harder hitter. and that was Clubber

😆

Your line of thinking negates the entire point of the fourth film in the same way that Bartleby and Loki entering Heaven defies God's word. you have completely and totally misconstrued the entire point of the fourth film. The entire point of Rocky IV is that Drago is better than anybody Rocky's ever faced. The fact that you fail to realize this ....it's not good ❌

Originally posted by Lestov16
The entire point of Rocky IV is that Drago is better than anybody Rocky's ever faced.

The kid with the creepy smile has it correct here.