Originally posted by Lestov16
probably with the rest of the body in the Hearts on Fire training montage where he gains much more muscle mass than he needed for Clubber. Again, your belief that the human body's durability is static and can not be affected by exercise is absurd.
I didn't say it couldn't. I'm asking where was it shown/stated. "Cuz he trained" isn't a reason to assume he can suddenly take harder hit with no issue
Originally posted by Psychotron
I'll admit when you come with a reasonable argument.And stamina
Nope.
Clubber KOed one guy on screen, Rocky took down over a dozen. And then there are Rocky's training montages. By screen feats Rocky is likely stronger than Lang.
I did. You just ignore facts
You still need to prove he was more durable to take them
Yup
Rewatch the movie. Clubber KO many an opponent.
Originally posted by Lestov16
What character? I know for damn sure you aren't talking about Mickey, because that means you take the word of the boxing trainer over that of a supercomputer that records Drago hitting at over 2000 psi. If not, what character?Again, that ridiculous "durability is static" thing. You honestly think Rocky was as durable in 3 as he was in 4? Had he gone against Drago in III physical shape, he would have been Apollo-ed. Stop ignoring that Rocky's training in IV made him more durable, which is why he tanked more damage.
Also, there the notion that in the entire 15 round fight against Drago, Rocky blocked less than the times in the mere 3 round fight against Clubber, is again absurd.
"Hearts on firreee..."
What the hell is it with you and this inability to accept that people can increase their durability by gaining muscle mass, and that his training regimen would produce far more bulk than his Rocky 3 fight, which was focused mainly on speed and agility?
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Your line of thinking negates the entire point of the fourth film in the same way that Bartleby and Loki entering Heaven defies God's word. you have completely and totally misconstrued the entire point of the fourth film. The entire point of Rocky IV is that Drago is better than anybody Rocky's ever faced. The fact that you fail to realize this ....it's not good ❌
Obviously you need to rewatch the movie. Apollo Creed. The other black guy.
Show me which part of the training montage indicated he increased his already superhuman durability
If it's so absurd prove me wrong and post the proof. Do it. DO IT NOW!
Well I have yet to be shown a lick of proof that this actually took place. I know he trained but which part of that made him even more superhuman in his ability to take a hit?
Better=/=harder hitting. You seem to think Drago needed to hit harder than Lang to be the threat he was. He didn't
Originally posted by juggerman
I did. You just ignore factsYou still need to prove he was more durable to take them
Yup
Rewatch the movie. Clubber KO many an opponent.
No, a 2150 PSI measurement by a machine is a fact, Apollo getting annihilated is a fact, the choreography is not. That's like saying Darth Vader is a shitty duelist because he fought like a paraplegic in ANH.
When are you going to learn that taking a punch is not just about durability, but stamina and willpower too. Are you really going to deny that training helps you take hits?
No. There were moments when he took hits and mocked him.
Not as many as Rocky. But my point was that Clubber has no feats. He beat a weakened Rocky and that's it.
Originally posted by Psychotron
No, a 2150 PSI measurement by a machine is a fact, Apollo getting annihilated is a fact, the choreography is not. That's like saying Darth Vader is a shitty duelist because he fought like a paraplegic in ANH.When are you going to learn that taking a punch is not just about durability, but stamina and willpower too. Are you really going to deny that training helps you take hits?
No. There were moments when he took hits and mocked him.
Not as many as Rocky. But my point was that Clubber has no feats. He beat a weakened Rocky and that's it.
The choreography is a fact. There was a reason it was presented that way. Not only presented that was but told to us flat out Rocky could not stand toe to toe with Clubber. It was the whole point of Rocky III. He met an opponent that his fighting style failed against. His style, which is basically take hits until you have an opening to attack, was useless and he needed a new way of fighting to overcome the most powerful opponent he's ever faced. It was brought to us this way for a reason. You act as if it was some after thought or some unrelated thing when the entire story centered around it
I understand but you act as if durability has nothing, or near enough to nothing to do with it
That's just a lie
Well once again you were completely wrong about what actually happened in this movie. I think you should watch it again just to refresh
Originally posted by Lestov16
So Apollo (who had no knowledge of Drago at the time of saying this) is more accurate than a supercomputer? Really?
He said Rocky could not stand toe to toe with Lang. What does Drago have to do with that statement at all?
The statement wasn't to calculate the exact punching power of Lang
Originally posted by juggerman
The choreography is a fact. There was a reason it was presented that way. Not only presented that was but told to us flat out Rocky could not stand toe to toe with Clubber. It was the whole point of Rocky III. He met an opponent that his fighting style failed against. His style, which is basically take hits until you have an opening to attack, was useless and he needed a new way of fighting to overcome the most powerful opponent he's ever faced. It was brought to us this way for a reason. You act as if it was some after thought or some unrelated thing when the entire story centered around itI understand but you act as if durability has nothing, or near enough to nothing to do with it
That's just a lie
Well once again you were completely wrong about what actually happened in this movie. I think you should watch it again just to refresh
If that was true Rocky wouldn't have been able to take hits from Clubber, but he did. And if that was true he would have continued to use Creed's techniques instead of mocking Lang.
Rocky's durability is only further amped by the extra muscle he gained during his training for Drago. And of course there is the stamina that allowed him to run up a goddamn mountain.
It's not.
What did he do that worthy of note?
Originally posted by Psychotron
If that was true Rocky wouldn't have been able to take hits from Clubber, but he did. And if that was true he would have continued to use Creed's techniques instead of mocking Lang.Rocky's durability is only further amped by the extra muscle he gained during his training for Drago. And of course there is the stamina that allowed him to run up a goddamn mountain.
It's not.
What did he do that worthy of note?
It is true. Again not being able to stand toe to toe with him doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to continue after being hit a few times. It meant he could not use his go to fighting style which he did not. And he switched techniques due to Clubber powering thru his defenses.
How does running up a mountain make you able to take harder hits to the face exactly?
It really is.
You are just showing that your memory of the film is faulty at best
Originally posted by juggerman
It is true. Again not being able to stand toe to toe with him doesn't mean he wouldn't be able to continue after being hit a few times. It meant he could not use his go to fighting style which he did not. And he switched techniques due to Clubber powering thru his defenses.How does running up a mountain make you able to take harder hits to the face exactly?
It really is.
You are just showing that your memory of the film is faulty at best
Taking 26+ shots in 60 seconds is not just "being hit a few times". Rocky did stand toe to toe with Clubber no matter how hard you try to distort things with your theories.
Stamina and willpower. Two things Lang doesn't have and that's why Rocky dropped him like a sack of potatoes in 3 rounds.
No, it is not.
Then it shouldn't be difficult to remind me. Come on, tell me. What did Clubber do besides beat a weakened Rocky?