Clubber Lang vs. Ivan Drago

Originally posted by Psychotron
Do you need to be spoon fed? I obviously meant that if a combatant can get up then he's not incapacitated. Lang hurt Rocky, yes, but just not enough to put him down. Drago, on the other hand, gave him brain damage.

No, he did not. Rocky movies have always had unrealistic choreography. He did not "need" to avoid Lang as evidenced by all the clean shots he took from him. Rocky simply chose a different style for that match.

So now he hurt Rocky? Just a second ago he didn't.

He need did to. It was clear as the main reason for his training was that. It was also confirmed by dialog between Creed and Balboa. So yeah he did "need" to

Originally posted by juggerman
Nope

Then nothing more needs to be said.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Then nothing more needs to be said.

If you say so. But did he get a chance to prove he did?

Originally posted by juggerman
If you say so. But did he get a chance to prove he did?

What?

Originally posted by Silent Master
What?

Did he hit the same machine Drago did to calculate his punching power?

Originally posted by juggerman
Did he hit the same machine Drago did to calculate his punching power?

Not my problem, I can post feats of Drago punching at over 2000 psi; can you do the same for Clubber?

Originally posted by Silent Master
Not my problem, I can post feats of Drago punching at over 2000 psi; can you do the same for Clubber?

A simple yes or no would suffice

Originally posted by juggerman
A simple yes or no would suffice

Again, you not being able to post feats isn't my problem.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Again, you not being able to post feats isn't my problem.

Why are you afraid to answer a question? It's not a trick question or anything.

Originally posted by juggerman
Why are you afraid to answer a question? It's not a trick question or anything.

If you can't provide feats for Clubber having the same or greater punching power as Drago, that's your problem.

Originally posted by Silent Master
If you can't provide feats for Clubber having the same or greater punching power as Drago, that's your problem.

Alright then well since we cannot have a side by side comparison of their respective punching powers via this machine how about we use something else to try to help us see who maybe had the greater punching power?

Like maybe Rocky needing a special fighting style for one, since those punches were too hard for him to handle, and him being able to take the other's, since they were not too hard for him to handle?

Originally posted by juggerman
Alright then well since we cannot have a side by side comparison of their respective punching powers via this machine how about we use something else to try to help us see who maybe had the greater punching power?

Like maybe Rocky needing a special fighting style for one, since those punches were too hard for him to handle, and him being able to take the other's, since they were not too hard for him to handle?

They didn't fight the same Rocky, the Rocky that Drago faced had more training, was in better shape, had more experience and greater motivation.

The movies made it very clear that Drago punched much harder than any heavyweight in the world.

Originally posted by Silent Master
They didn't fight the same Rocky, the Rocky that Drago faced had more training, was in better shape, had more experience and greater motivation.

The movies made it very clear that Drago punched much harder than any heavyweight in the world.

They fought the same guy. Motivation doesn't make your head any harder. And again he could take Drago's hits with no major issue. Not the case with Lang

The movie made it clear he hit much harder than the "average boxer". Clubber is not average.

Originally posted by juggerman
They fought the same guy. Motivation doesn't make your head any harder. And again he could take Drago's hits with no major issue. Not the case with Lang

The movie made it clear he hit much harder than the "average boxer". Clubber is not average.

Stop being a quan and ignoring context.

Originally posted by juggerman
So now he hurt Rocky? Just a second ago he didn't.

He need did to. It was clear as the main reason for his training was that. It was also confirmed by dialog between Creed and Balboa. So yeah he did "need" to

He hurt him slightly, but not enough to cause serious injuries like Drago did.

No, he did not need to. There's no proof of this. Rocky tanked multiple shots from Clubber, if you were right wouldn't have been able to do that, but he did.

Originally posted by juggerman
They fought the same guy. Motivation doesn't make your head any harder. And again he could take Drago's hits with no major issue. Not the case with Lang

That's bullshit and you know it.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Stop being a quan and ignoring context.

I'm not

Originally posted by Psychotron
He hurt him slightly, but not enough to cause serious injuries like Drago did.

No, he did not need to. There's no proof of this. Rocky tanked multiple shots from Clubber, if you were right wouldn't have been able to do that, but he did.

That's bullshit and you know it.

Hurt him enough to cause him to switch strategies on the fly

He did need to. The proof is in the writer's intent and the character's dialog. He didn't tank them as they hurt him. He took them yes but if it was easy to take them he would have just done so. He didn't. He chose to avoid them.

I disagree

Originally posted by juggerman
I'm not

That's basically what quan says every time his ignoring of context is mentioned.

Originally posted by Silent Master
That's basically what quan says every time his ignoring of context is mentioned.

I'm not quanning

Actually, that's exactly what you're doing.