Clubber Lang vs. Ivan Drago

Originally posted by juggerman
But only Lang's punching power forced Rocky to alter his "take hits until you have an opening" tactic that he uses. That alone shows who's hits he took as a more serious threat

So you've abandoned your stance that Rocky didn't alter his plan right? Good now we're getting somewhere

It was clearly stated in Rocky 5. Maybe you should watch the films before commenting on them

You're avoiding your own point now. You tried to say "the bigger you are the tougher you are" and I've proven that false. Now on to moving the goal post

"Forcing" someone to mock you is pretty bad, honestly. His absurd training in IV shows you who he took more seriously.

I never denied that Rocky mocked Lang.

So why did it happen only after Drago beat his ass?

No, I'm not. That was my point, muscle mass helps you against incoming hits. Those small guys you talked about are pretty rare.

Originally posted by Psychotron
"Forcing" someone to mock you is pretty bad, honestly. His absurd training in IV shows you who he took more seriously.

I never denied that Rocky mocked Lang.

So why did it happen only after Drago beat his ass?

No, I'm not. That was my point, muscle mass helps you against incoming hits. Those small guys you talked about are pretty rare.

You act as if the "mocking" was all there was. He out smarted Lang cuz he couldn't out punch him. You know, like he did Drago.

That wasn't at all what I said

Drago was the final push. It clearly states it was caused by years of blows to the head. Unless you believe the fight with Drago lasted years you must concede Drago was not the sole reason like you are trying to pass him off as.

But they exist. Which means your point is pretty pointless

Originally posted by juggerman
I am not basing my standpoint on anything quan has said. I'm not ignoring any context, in fact I'm addressing any and all points brought up against me. The fact you don't agree with me is not big deal and you seem to be getting your feelings hurt because you are disagreed with.

I'd rather have you inaccurately call me all these fun filled names than to know deep down that I rode quan's dingle berries for an extended period of time in multiple threads like you did. That's just a sadness you'll never live down dickboi

Yeah you are. The fact that you think you aren't is the problem here. You. Are. Phucking. Wrong. EVERY single minute of Rocky IV indicates that Drago hits harder and is better than ANYBODY Rocky has ever faced, and it is also made abundantly clear that his training regimen increased his durability to hitherto levels, which is why he withstood Drago's blows. You are objectively wrong here. Not just "IMO" wrong, but 100% factually and utterly, moronically, phucking wrong. You are objectively ignoring the context of the film, and the fact that you are too stupid to realize it is why you are dubbed juggerquan.

Actually I already have. And see the thing is:
A) I destroyed quan in both those Van Zan threads
B) I was arguing out of ignorance because I had not seen Reign of Fire for a long time.
At least I have the excuse that I was arguing out of ignorance. You are literally interpreting the film wrong like a phucking retard...or should I say QUANSPAWN. And that is way more pathetic than anything that I did. So now you're objectively wrong for a 2nd time. don't go for a 3rd.

Originally posted by juggerman
You act as if the "mocking" was all there was. He out smarted Lang cuz he couldn't out punch him. You know, like he did Drago.

That wasn't at all what I said

Drago was the final push. It clearly states it was caused by years of blows to the head. Unless you believe the fight with Drago lasted years you must concede Drago was not the sole reason like you are trying to pass him off as.

But they exist. Which means your point is pretty pointless

He didn't out-smart him, he out-fought him. He punched him until he KOed him.

It's all that mattered.

I'm passing him off as the main reason.

No, it's not. My point was that muscle mass helps in those situations. So even those skinny guys (who are outliers, not the average) would benefit from gaining muscle, just like Rocky did.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Yeah you are. The fact that you think you aren't is the problem here. [b]You. Are. Phucking. Wrong. EVERY single minute of Rocky IV indicates that Drago hits harder and is better than ANYBODY Rocky has ever faced, and it is also made abundantly clear that his training regimen increased his durability to hitherto levels, which is why he withstood Drago's blows. You are objectively wrong here. Not just "IMO" wrong, but 100% factually and utterly, moronically, phucking wrong. You are objectively ignoring the context of the film, and the fact that you are too stupid to realize it is why you are dubbed juggerquan.

Actually I already have. And see the thing is:
A) I destroyed quan in both those Van Zan threads
B) I was arguing out of ignorance because I had not seen Reign of Fire for a long time.
At least I have the excuse that I was arguing out of ignorance. You are literally interpreting the film wrong like a phucking retard...or should I say QUANSPAWN. And that is way more pathetic than anything that I did. So now you're objectively wrong for a 2nd time. don't go for a 3rd. [/B]

Just look at you. You are getting so upset over this. Why? Do you have a crush on Drago and feel the need to defend his honor? I mean really tho, I disagree, why is that such a huge deal to you that you need to get so bothered? It's sad really.

As I've said earlier, yes Drago was hyped to be stronger than any opponent we've seen in the series. But the context is just that; hype. Based on side by side comparisons of the two fighters, Clubber just hits harder than Ivan. Was it intentional? I really doubt it but that doesn't change it. Rocky did nothing that we see to allow him to take punches stronger than Lang's with no issue at all. All you have are assumptions that he did workouts we never see him do strengthen his head and neck to allow him to take harder hits. Sorry I don't want to hop on your assumption wagon and would like to stick to what we actually see/hear. Your bias is showing and it's very telling.

You can try to spin it anyway you want to but the fact remains you rode on quan's boom stick and now you want to deflect it onto others like anyone else would sink to the dickboi levels you wallowed in. You are alone there buddy. I'm glad you were finally able to pull yourself out of such a low and disgusting place but please don't try to act like I'm there to make yourself feel better. Just accept your faults and stop projecting.

Originally posted by Psychotron
He didn't out-smart him, he out-fought him. He punched him until he KOed him.

It's all that mattered.

I'm passing him off as the main reason.

No, it's not. My point was that muscle mass helps in those situations. So even those skinny guys (who are outliers, not the average) would benefit from gaining muscle, just like Rocky did.

He did out smart him. He tricked him into punching himself out. It's as clear as day and even commented on which confirms it. He simply out punched Drago.

It's not but of course you just move the goal post again

And you'd be wrong. If he was the statement would have said so. Right now you are just making baseless claims.

It's a pointless point. Not all buff guys are tougher and not all shrimps are weaker.

Originally posted by juggerman
Just look at you. You are getting so upset over this. Why? Do you have a crush on Drago and feel the need to defend his honor? I mean really tho, I disagree, why is that such a huge deal to you that you need to get so bothered? It's sad really.

What's sad is that your interpretation of Rocky 4 is worse than the girl at the beginning of Scary Movie's interpretation of the Life or Death sign.

Originally posted by juggerman
As I've said earlier, yes Drago was hyped to be stronger than any opponent we've seen in the series. But the context is just that; hype.

Originally posted by juggerman
Based on side by side comparisons of the two fighters, Clubber just hits harder than Ivan.

Originally posted by juggerman
Was it intentional? I really doubt it but that doesn't change it.

So basically you're trying to be a smug ass who thinks they found a plot hole, just because he can't comprehend how much more Rocky trained for Drago than Clubber.

Originally posted by juggerman
Rocky did nothing that we see to allow him to take punches stronger than Lang's with no issue at all.

You're seriously ignoring how harder his HOF training was than his III training. Do you have a brain aneurysm. This is why you're being called juggerquan. You. Are. Objectively. Phucking. Wrong.

Originally posted by juggerman
All you have are assumptions that he did workouts we never see him do strengthen his head and neck to allow him to take harder hits.

Oh we saw, them. You just don't know how muscles work. I'll explain it again, quanspawn. You build muscle mass by putting strain on your muscles, causing them to break down and protien synthesis to rebuild them even bigger. What Rocky did was strength training, and far more extensive than any he's ever done. you just clearly don't excerise, or have even a basic understanding of how the human body works. Again YOU ARE A QUANSPAWN

Originally posted by juggerman
Sorry I don't want to hop on your assumption wagon and would like to stick to what we actually see/hear. Your bias is showing and it's very telling.

what's showing is you're idiocy and basic lack of logic and knowledge of exercise and simple bodily functions, AKA everything you would need to objectively judge these fighters, which you can't do, so again stop trying to pass yourself off as some ESPN analyst, because you are clearly incapable of judging this fight. May as well GTFO.

Originally posted by juggerman
You can try to spin it anyway you want to but the fact remains you rode on quan's boom stick and now you want to deflect it onto others like anyone else would sink to the dickboi levels you wallowed in. You are alone there buddy. I'm glad you were finally able to pull yourself out of such a low and disgusting place but please don't try to act like I'm there to make yourself feel better. Just accept your faults and stop projecting.

I really consider your failed attempts to humiliate me by bringing up my past heated rivalries as pathetic, desperate, pitiful, humiliating, and very VERY Quanchi112-like. Again, what you're doing is worse than me, and the reason I'm making fun of you isn't for some kind of vent, it's because you're acting like a phucking idiot and ignoring or have no knowledge of anything that occurred in the film. And every insult I've thrown at you in this thread pertains to this thread. You trying to bring up my past reeks of extremely shameless and pitiful personal attacks reeks of desperation and your further mutation into the monstrous Juggerquan.

Originally posted by juggerman
He did out smart him. He tricked him into punching himself out. It's as clear as day and even commented on which confirms it. He simply out punched Drago.

It's not but of course you just move the goal post again

And you'd be wrong. If he was the statement would have said so. Right now you are just making baseless claims.

It's a pointless point. Not all buff guys are tougher and not all shrimps are weaker.

Lang hit Rocky, Rocky hit Lang (less times too), Rocky KOed Lang.

It's what happened, all right? Haven't moved anything.

Do you need everything to be spoon-fed to you? Superhuman punches guy for 15 rounds -> guy gets brain damage. It's pretty simple.

No, it's not. How do I make this any simpler? Tough skinny guy puts on some muscle and becomes tougher. Get it? Same thing with Rocky, he was tough before, but then he put on some extra muscle and got even tougher.

juggerquan clearly doesn't know how muscles work. It's like a homeless man trying to pick stock options.

Originally posted by Lestov16
What's sad is that your interpretation of Rocky 4 is worse than the girl at the beginning of Scary Movie's interpretation of the Life or Death sign.

No. He objective was the strongest opponent seen in the series. HE PHUCKING KILLED APOLLO IN TWO ROUNDS. Has Clubber ever been reported even putting anybody in the hospital?

Are you a phucking moron? You have ZERO business trying to be the objective judge of two boxers like you're some ESPN analyst. you can't even comprehend the fact that Rocky trained harder than ever before for Drago, which is why he took his hits, or the fact that 15 rounds of 2150 psi shots contributed way more to his brain damage the his mere 3 rounds with Clubber, you can't judge physical stats because you don't even see how Drago, due to his strength, has way more stamina than Clubber because Clubber [b]TIRED OUT LIKE A LITTLE BYTCH IN 3 ROUNDS whereas DRAGO WENT FIFTEEN. Again, stop trying to pass yourself off as some kind of expert, juggerquan.

So basically you're trying to be a smug ass who thinks they found a plot hole, just because he can't comprehend how much more Rocky trained for Drago than Clubber.

hysterical

You're seriously ignoring how harder his HOF training was than his III training. Do you have a brain aneurysm. This is why you're being called juggerquan. You. Are. Objectively. Phucking. Wrong.

Oh we saw, them. You just don't know how muscles work. I'll explain it again, quanspawn. You build muscle mass by putting strain on your muscles, causing them to break down and protien synthesis to rebuild them even bigger. What Rocky did was strength training, and far more extensive than any he's ever done. you just clearly don't excerise, or have even a basic understanding of how the human body works. Again YOU ARE A QUANSPAWN

what's showing is you're idiocy and basic lack of logic and knowledge of exercise and simple bodily functions, AKA everything you would need to objectively judge these fighters, which you can't do, so again stop trying to pass yourself off as some ESPN analyst, because you are clearly incapable of judging this fight. May as well GTFO.

I really consider your failed attempts to humiliate me by bringing up my past heated rivalries as pathetic, desperate, pitiful, humiliating, and very VERY Quanchi112-like. Again, what you're doing is worse than me, and the reason I'm making fun of you isn't for some kind of vent, it's because you're acting like a phucking idiot and ignoring or have no knowledge of anything that occurred in the film. And every insult I've thrown at you in this thread pertains to this thread. You trying to bring up my past reeks of extremely shameless and pitiful personal attacks reeks of desperation and your further mutation into the monstrous Juggerquan. [/B]

Still so angry. It would be cute if it wasn't so pathetic.

Doesn't take away from what we see when the face the same guy.

So much anger. That can't be healthy. I sure hope the mayor doesn't see all this rage. He might not shake your hand again. Against the same opponent Lang's shots took more of a toll. It's as clear as day. But I like how you need to bring up stamina to try to boost your point when that's been proven to be irrelevant for a while now. Troll harder next time D-boi

I don't claim to have found anything. I'm just pointing out what we seen/hear on screen vs what you are trying to assume and pass off as fact

His training was to build muscle so he could out punch Drago. He didn't need to train to avoid Drago cuz he didn't need to. Not like he needed to avoid Lang

Thank you for the explanation. Now show me which work outs he did, that we see, that enabled him to take harder blows to the head?

You're just getting upset cuz you've failed at every turn. But don't worry, I'm sure quan will let you suckle on his peter again to make you feel better.

You started mud slinging 1st bucko. The name calling and attacks were your bag for a while now. I guess the truth hurts eh? Sorry but for you to call anyone anything having to do with quan while knowing you were his puppet for a good while makes you a hypocrite and pretty pathetic and sad. But it's ok. It seems like you've accepted yourself for the dickboi you are. Congratulations.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Lang hit Rocky, Rocky hit Lang (less times too), Rocky KOed Lang.

It's what happened, all right? Haven't moved anything.

Do you need everything to be spoon-fed to you? Superhuman punches guy for 15 rounds -> guy gets brain damage. It's pretty simple.

No, it's not. How do I make this any simpler? Tough skinny guy puts on some muscle and becomes tougher. Get it? Same thing with Rocky, he was tough before, but then he put on some extra muscle and got even tougher.

That's a lie. Rocky hit Lang WAY more than vice versa. Your just trolling at this point with these blatant lies

You originally said Rocky didn't change his tactic, then you said it was only slightly, now you admit it was a big change. You are flip flopping and pretending it was your stance all along. If you want to play it that way fine but at this point you are actually agreeing with me here

Yet it was clearly stated it was years of punishment that caused it. You are arguing against the very film itself now.

Again you are going off of the implication that more muscle automatically means more durable. You know this isn't the case. Time to let it go

Originally posted by Lestov16
juggerquan clearly doesn't know how muscles work. It's like a homeless man trying to pick stock options.

Found a new cock to glob onto now? Quan might get jealous

Again, more petty attacks on my past that have dick to do with this thread. Quan would be proud.

Originally posted by Lestov16
Again, more petty attacks on my past that have dick to do with this thread. Quan would be proud.

"Uh only I can make fun of you. You can't do so in return. It's just not fair. WAHHHH!!!"

If you don't like the personal attacks cut them out yourself. It's that simple

I'm making fun of you for what you did in THIS thread. I only call you juggerquan in THIS thread. You are bringing up stuff from my past that had nothing to do with this thread. That pretty much amounts to pathetic and desperate personal attacks. Again, you are becoming more like Quan.

Originally posted by Lestov16
I'm making fun of you for what you did in THIS thread. I only call you juggerquan in THIS thread. You are bringing up stuff from my past that had nothing to do with this thread. That pretty much amounts to pathetic and desperate personal attacks. Again, you are becoming more like Quan.

So it's ok for you to sling mud but you call foul when it's done in return? What pathetic and childish reasoning. Look if you can't take the heat get out of the kitchen dickboi. I'm calling you "dickboi" in THIS THREAD cuz of your outright hypocrisy in THIS THREAD. so keep on keeping on dickboi

Somehow I doubt that will be as catchy as juggerquan. You can hope for the best. Anyways, Drago hits harder, no matter how much you misinterpret the film, B.A. Bottombytch. The reason has been explained ad naseum. Stop being a dumbass and accept the truth, and stop being a phucking juggerquan. It's pathetic and starting to get unbearably annoying.

Get a room, you two.

Originally posted by Psychotron
Great shape =/= mentally unprepared.

You did nothing.

Yeah, iPad what convenient excuse.

I did.

Leave my iPad out of this, roidrager.

Originally posted by juggerman
That's a lie. Rocky hit Lang WAY more than vice versa. Your just trolling at this point with these blatant lies

You originally said Rocky didn't change his tactic, then you said it was only slightly, now you admit it was a big change. You are flip flopping and pretending it was your stance all along. If you want to play it that way fine but at this point you are actually agreeing with me here

Yet it was clearly stated it was years of punishment that caused it. You are arguing against the very film itself now.

Again you are going off of the implication that more muscle automatically means more durable. You know this isn't the case. Time to let it go

Bwahaha. Are you even trying at this point? Rocky didn't go on the offense until the last round. Lang hit him a lot more, Rocky just had much better durability.

What am I agreeing with? That Rocky started mocking Lang? That he treated him like the loser that he was? Something he wouldn't dare do against Drago. Because that's all I'm saying.

It doesn't change the fact that it happened after Drago, not Lang. If Lang was stronger than Drago he would have been the one to do it.

Are you retarded? Serious question. How many times do we have to explain to you that muscle does automatically mean better durability? It protects your vital organs, and neck muscle prevents your head from turning rapidly, which is what causes a KO.