Originally posted by ares834
Don't like Lois I take it.Anyway, it could work. Like you said Kingdom Come pulled it off.
I'm not a fan of her, no.
I've been doing this in RPs for years, now.
It can work if the writer is willing to take a couple of risks and portray them as actual people in a relationship rather than icons trying to make it work.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I don't think the two characters are inherently incompatible; no writer has just pulled it off as well as they maybe should (bar kingdom come).
I can actually explain why this cannot probably work and makes very little sense, but I'll boil it down in just one analogy:
This is like making Hulk date Spider-Man. They have their own books and mythologies, and shoving each other into the other's book is going to get old fast. Even if the couple is well written, try to picture a book with Reed Richards and another one with Sue Storm and you will notice inmediately than the gimmick will last as much as Batman can stay death.
But for me it is more of a deception in a personal level, I really hate when creators get so dazzled with their characters that they make their stories like fantasies. There is nothing special in being Bruce Wayne's brother, I don't want to have some sibling showing up out of nowhere just because of some blood level relationship that makes no sense. That kind of stuff is meant for the fanfictions. You don't go out with every female coworker you have, but in comics this gets repeated ad infinitum. At least Diana and Kal had the kind of mutual respect relationship that you do not see all that often because of the romantic angst that is sold in every fictional fantasy. Meh I say.
So yes, got a bit cold on DC as of late.
Originally posted by Bentley
I can actually explain why this cannot probably work and makes very little sense, but I'll boil it down in just one analogy:This is like making Hulk date Spider-Man. They have their own books and mythologies, and shoving each other into the other's book is going to get old fast. Even if the couple is well written, try to picture a book with Reed Richards and another one with Sue Storm and you will notice inmediately than the gimmick will last as much as Batman can stay death.
But for me it is more of a deception in a personal level, I really hate when creators get so dazzled with their characters that they make their stories like fantasies. There is nothing special in being Bruce Wayne's brother, I don't want to have some sibling showing up out of nowhere just because of some blood level relationship that makes no sense. That kind of stuff is meant for the fanfictions. You don't go out with every female coworker you have, but in comics this gets repeated ad infinitum. At least Diana and Kal had the kind of mutual respect relationship that you do not see all that often because of the romantic angst that is sold in every fictional fantasy. Meh I say.
So yes, got a bit cold on DC as of late.
The book thing is an issue, I agree. I'd like to think that Johns and Azzarello (and the guy taking over Superman) will at least be on some sort of level.
lol, well, I'd think that's a bit cynical, tbh. 😛
Like you said, though, the hurdle is the books.
Originally posted by Cogito
UghLois and Clark is too set in history to mess with. Hell there's even a TV show titled as such.
Heroes on the same team in a relationship doesn't work long-term. Too many conflicts of interest and drama inevitably comes of it
Ollie and Dinah. Hank and Janet. Cyclops and Jean. Cyclops and Emma. Colossus and Shadowcat. Reed and Sue. 😛
Originally posted by -Pr-
Ollie and Dinah. Hank and Janet. Cyclops and Jean. Cyclops and Emma. Colossus and Shadowcat. Reed and Sue. 😛
Crashed wedding, domestic abuse, cheating with teammate and death, probably being mind controlled by both his ex to go to Emma and Emma to stay with her, not together due to Phoenix Force and opposing viewpoints, she wants Namor's eel in her octopus sucker but can't because she's married.
Say again?
Originally posted by Blair Wind
Crashed wedding, domestic abuse, cheating with teammate and death, probably being mind controlled by both his ex to go to Emma and Emma to stay with her, not together due to Phoenix Force and opposing viewpoints, she wants Namor's eel in her octopus sucker but can't because she's married.Say again?
Crashed wedding means what? They still ended up together until that **** wrote Cry for Justice.
One slap doesn't take away the decades of happiness they had.
And yet, Scott and Jean were in a committed relationship for almost forty years.
I'm pretty sure Whedon had completely disregarded Morrison's mind-melding thing. Scott and Emma were a good couple until Fraction came along.
But Peter and Kitty were a good match. A will they, won't they thing doesn't change that.
Reed and Sue... Okay bad example.
I don't see why it can't work with a decent writer. Yes, there are going to be issues tying the books together, but yeah, pick better examples. sneer
I'm with Linkara on this. For some reason bad writers seem to think that they should be a couple and it always has less to do with it making sense from a character perspective and more that 'It just makes sense! They're both really powerful and iconic, so they should ****!' God forbid that a man and a woman can work together without it getting physical. She's a princess and now an actual demi-god and he's a farmboy from Smallville, they have nothing in common.
Plus this is clearly just a publicity stunt.
Originally posted by Nephthys
I'm with Linkara on this. For some reason bad writers seem to think that they should be a couple and it always has less to do with it making sense from a character perspective and more that 'It just makes sense! They're both really powerful and iconic, so they should ****!' God forbid that a man and a woman can work together without it getting physical. She's a princess and now an actual demi-god and he's a farmboy from Smallville, they have nothing in common.Plus this is clearly just a publicity stunt.
You're saying only a bad writer could see them as a couple?
Or you think Johns is a bad writer?
Originally posted by -Pr-
You're saying only a bad writer could see them as a couple?Or you think Johns is a bad writer?
Defensive much?
I said that bad writers think they should be a couple. That does not imply that all who think that are bad writers or that all bad writers think that.
There's also the fact that we have already read this story. It is called Action Comics #600, RIGHT AFTER THEIR FIRST REBOOT in 1988.
And guess what? They realised they had nothing in common pretty fast and decided not to do that again.