Never said you didn't have the right to be mad, but I could care less if Alan is gay or straight. I just want a fun story and Earth 2 is pretty fun for me. Now if I was angry like some books, I would just drop them. Not worth my time.
And since Robinson has his own style of writing, I will tell you right now, you won't enjoy the future issues.
Originally posted by Digi
Nope. I quit when it was clear they weren't doing anything I liked or was going to like.It's also still new. Everyone has their breaking point. If it continues like this, there won't be anyone talking about it on KMC in 6 months. We live inside a bubble where a few months is a lifetime to dissect, use in vs. battles, etc. It's actually a short amount of time in which to really read a comic.
Whether or not sales will follow is a different matter entirely, and speculative.
But they're right on one thing: sales /= quality.
It's actually the one thing I'm ok with in E2. It's everything else that's garbage. And Galan's point was how they took the homosexual thing to disturbing/uninteresting places, not the homosexuality itself. All things considered, I'm still against it as well because I goddamn liked original Alan, and this new incarnation is nothing like him at all. But in so far as a big homosexual reveal goes, DC could've chosen a lot worse.
What was sooo disturbing? That Alan expressed his manly love for the character? 😂
Originally posted by Golgo13
Never said you didn't have the right to be mad, but I could care less if Alan is gay or straight. I just want a fun story and Earth 2 is pretty fun for me. Now if I was angry like some books, I would just drop them. Not worth my time.And since Robinson has his own style of writing, I will tell you right now, you won't enjoy the future issues.
I had to deal with him on three years of Superman. I already know I don't like him.
I just keep hoping he recovers the form of old, as unlikely as that may seem.
Originally posted by Golgo13
And before any of you trolls say that I'm defending Robinson, I find him to be hit and miss. His JLA was boring as shit and his dialogue can be dreadful, but that doesn't mean everything he does suck. Just his average stuff.
Don't name-call.
Originally posted by Golgo13
What was sooo disturbing? That Alan expressed his manly love for the character? 😂
Talk to Galan. His comment. I didn't get homophobia from it though.
Or maybe, I dunno, "I want to destroy the planet and everyone on it, but consider siding with me so you can bone." Seems...forced. Or perhaps the unnecessary Lovecraftian overtones, turning Grundy into some sort of fetish fulfillment engine. There's options.
Originally posted by Digi
Talk to Galan. His comment. I didn't get homophobia from it though.Or maybe, I dunno, "I want to destroy the planet and everyone on it, but consider siding with me so you can bone." Seems...forced. Or perhaps the unnecessary Lovecraftian overtones, turning Grundy into some sort of fetish fulfillment engine. There's options.
You have a dirty mind, Digi. 😛 Dirty indeed. I never thought about it that way. 😉
Originally posted by Golgo13
You have a dirty mind, Digi. 😛 Dirty indeed. I never thought about it that way. 😉
Thanks. I did my Master's thesis on tentacle impregnation.
All beside the point though. If E2 is a good book, and by all accounts it isn't, it's still on its own. It's the Justice Society in name only, and bears only cosmetic resemblance to anything before. Which isn't always a problem with characters, but the entire zeitgeist of the JSA was that they were the "legacy" heroes who provided a home and family to learn how to be a hero. For a team like the JLA, whose central schtick is "A-listers beating the big, bad foes" I see a reboot as less of an issue (sorry JLA fans, it's not a dig, just an observation). They can jump right back into those roles.
For the JSA, whose very identity was wrapped in their history (the Brownstone was practically a shrine to the Silver Age), reboots matter. Then they made the Big 3 untouchable dead heroes on E2, stripping the JSA of the sense of time and tradition, or any chance at it, by giving the world godlike heroes before the team was founded.
That's why it's a bad book. The stories will come around; they have to eventually, it's inevitable math with any long-running book. I've given variations on this rant before, but it's hard to let go. The essence of the characters are gone. Even with wild, sweeping changes, it's not hard to retain the flavor of a character. Superman/Batman/etc. by all accounts are fine for example, indistinguishable in tone, even if the stories aren't always great. Alan Scott died - they gave him a two-panel funeral in one of the more hilariously butchered endings ever - and this new guy might be a decent character eventually, but he's just a different guy with the same name.
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I may pick up He-Man. Seems like a good book to read, untouched by the mess that is the DCnU.
Originally posted by Golgo13
Well, here are the things I like about Earth 2:
-World building and nice concepts like the grey.
-Terry Sloan
- Flash's origin
- The idea of Wonders instead of using heroes
- New Gods involvement.
- Holt's crossover with SloanThings I don't care for
-Dialogue is weak
- Pacing can be off
- Grundy's design.
And that's cool. I hope you enjoy it. It's just...it's not the JSA. And if you liked the JSA because of the sense of history and aura of heroism they emanated, all of that is gone. Right now it's just another fledgling team book of a bunch of unlikely people thrown together and asked to be heroes. I don't care how they dress it up, that's the trope in comics. I'm tired of it.
Originally posted by Digi
And that's cool. I hope you enjoy it. It's just...it's not the JSA. And if you liked the JSA because of the sense of history and aura of heroism they emanated, all of that is gone. Right now it's just another fledgling team book of a bunch of unlikely people thrown together and asked to be heroes. I don't care how they dress it up, that's the trope in comics. I'm tired of it.
You know, that's one of the things I MISS about DC right now. The sense of history. Like the JSA, Superman, Batman's age, etc... I am enjoying Superman to a degree, but I miss the old Superman.
We'll probably never see Kingdom Come Superman, either, and I will miss him.
I also miss the OLD WS characters as well and the world/universe they built after so many years.
That's another "tone" issue with WS and DC. Wildstorm didn't have guard rails on the sides of the bridge, so to speak. It was evident in everything that happened. Like, they destroyed the world and did not fix it. They took over the White House and didn't give it up until they blew up Washington. The HEROES did this. They killed and smoked and drank and did hard drugs and *****d and hung around with wankers like Kel, not for the sake of them or for shock affect, but because that's who they were and that was the world they lived in. By comparison, WS characters in DC feel neutered.
The world and characters were cool, but the big problem is that DC is a "status quo" universe. You can't take characters from an "anything goes" universe and expect them to fit right in. They don't. It's weird.
Again, the stories will be fine. The first Stormwatch arc was ok, for example. But it's clearly missing a pair.
Originally posted by Galan007
I don't have a problem with Alan being gay. I have a problem with how forcefully DC is pressing his gayness into the pages of Earth 2. It's ridiculous... It cheapens the book even moreso, imo.
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They didn't constantly remind you Obsidian was gay pre-reboot. And when they did mention it, it didn't feel like a stunt/gimmick instead of a natural facet of who he was as a character.
Originally posted by Digi
That's another "tone" issue with WS and DC. Wildstorm didn't have guard rails on the sides of the bridge, so to speak. It was evident in everything that happened. Like, they destroyed the world and [b]did not fix it. They took over the White House and didn't give it up until they blew up Washington. The HEROES did this. They killed and smoked and drank and did hard drugs and *****d and hung around with wankers like Kel, not for the sake of them or for shock affect, but because that's who they were and that was the world they lived in. By comparison, WS characters in DC feel neutered.The world and characters were cool, but the big problem is that DC is a "status quo" universe. You can't take characters from an "anything goes" universe and expect them to fit right in. They don't. It's weird.
Again, the stories will be fine. The first Stormwatch arc was ok, for example. But it's clearly missing a pair. [/B]
I disagree about not fitting in. I actually think Stormwatch fits just fine. WS has added a new dimension to DC and it's refreshing. Not all the stories has been good, though. Grifter is the weakest of the bunch, but Voodoo has rocked.
Ok, agree to disagree. The stories are probably fine. But WS needs a less trope-y universe to play in, which the mainstream companies will never be. Otherwise, they're well beneath their potential.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
👆They didn't constantly remind you Obsidian was gay pre-reboot. And when they did mention it, it didn't feel like a stunt/gimmick instead of a natural facet of who he was as a character.
Tada. Perfect comparison is perfect.
I'd just run with it at this point though. The book's already mostly ruined. Just ram the homosexuality down our throats so hard, we're weeping in a corner after each issue, sucking softly on our replica GL rings while wondering whether or not the slight boner we have should cause us shame.
Originally posted by Digi
👆 My job is done. I'll be back once I've devoured some issues of He-Man, which is perhaps the only book capable of producing more homoerotic moments than E2 at the moment.
You should check out team 7. These arent the same ws charaxters which is why its working out in the dcnu.