Originally posted by HueyFreemanBaring the cute little "Raaah gah rage" part, yes, I pointed out hypocrisy and double standards, using actual arguments and examples.
dude you went practically foaming with "Gah! Why you so upset about superman, other characters do this all time. Don't single superman out. Raaaahhh , raaaahh , rage, raaah! "
I'm not the one having a meltdown because I'm shown as a hypocrite and posting flashy videos proclaiming victory, here.
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Philo, I'm on your side in this, but I really think the aggression could be toned down a little. I actually think you're right, and I know you're capable of debating without having to get so "in your face".
To everyone else...
I just don't get it.
How is this feat any different from when Superman:
[list]Held a black hole
Pushed a celestial body that was using entropy itself against him
Moved so fast that time itself slowed to a crawl
Ingested the glue that holds the multiverse together
Put on "story armour" and fought a being that was devouring everything[/list]
Or any other of his high feats were he basically said "Rules? Science? Keep your petty science, ima do what I want".
Originally posted by -Pr-
Philo, I'm on your side in this, but I really think the aggression could be toned down a little. I actually think you're right, and I know you're capable of debating without having to get so "in your face".To everyone else...
I just don't get it.
How is this feat any different from when Superman:
[list]Held a black hole
Pushed a celestial body that was using entropy itself against him
Moved so fast that time itself slowed to a crawl
Ingested the glue that holds the multiverse together
Put on "story armour" and fought a being that was devouring everything[/list]Or any other of his high feats were he basically said "Rules? Science? Keep your petty science, ima do what I want".
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The feat was good and legit. Actually this fan service is the only way these days to give Superman the respect he deserves. Without such feats, everything he does is hyperbole or PIS. When he defeats DS it's a low showing for DS, whe he loses it's a low showing for Supes. He can't win if you won't establish his power level with such feats. Let him lift infinity and it's ignored, take lesser number for 5 straight days without the sun and you might have a chance. The haters will still ignore it but anyway.
If Thor, Hulk, Captain Marvel or any other High Herald would have performed this feat, no one would have a problem with it, of that I'm sure. Superman on the other hand isn't allowed to have that kind of feats, why? I dunno. I just got the impression that everyone puts his most fav hero against Supes and want them to win, but he is still better, he is the measure for each Superpowered being out there, and he still comes out better. So they start to hate?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Philo, I'm on your side in this, but I really think the aggression could be toned down a little. I actually think you're right, and I know you're capable of debating without having to get so "in your face".
Sorry about that. 👆
This discussion is over as far as I'm concerned, either way. Superman being judged in a vacuum, and people acting as if they'be just picked up a comic for the first time in their life and have no idea how the medium works is just baffling for me.
Besides, hate it or not, this feat catapulted DCnU Superman to the top. 🙂
Scott Lobdell will also write the JLA as coming in to help Superman against H'el (who I'm starting to assume is Supes' clone made from the sweat drop). We'll see how they compare, too.
Originally posted by -Pr-
I just don't get it.How is this feat any different from when Superman:
[list]Held a black hole
Pushed a celestial body that was using entropy itself against him
Moved so fast that time itself slowed to a crawl
Ingested the glue that holds the multiverse together
Put on "story armour" and fought a being that was devouring everything[/list]Or any other of his high feats were he basically said "Rules? Science? Keep your petty science, ima do what I want".
Originally posted by Blair Wind
And while I do think some of his other feats are even more ridiculous (blackhole in hand, rubbing hands to seal rifts, etc) and this just shows us, again, that Superman is physically superior to everyone, I don't think it serves a greater part of a story. It's just a wanking of numbers.
To me, it's not about the fact that the feat is so superior, physically, to everyone else. I don't care that it's a high feat - at least it is (relatively) more believable than holding a black hole or singing as a tactic - I just don't like the way that it was presented or used. The same feat, the same numbers, used in a context that pushes the story forward rather than a workout session just to prove a point to readers would have worked IMO. It just feels like an extreme fan service.
Originally posted by Blair WindThis mirrors my thoughts exactly.
To me, it's not about the fact that the feat is so superior, physically, to everyone else. I don't care that it's a high feat - at least it is (relatively) more believable than holding a black hole or singing as a tactic - I just don't like the way that it was presented or used. The same feat, the same numbers, used in a context that pushes the story forward rather than a workout session just to prove a point to readers would have worked IMO. It just feels like an extreme fan service.
Well put. 👆
Here's an excerpt from one of my first posts on the matter:
Originally posted by Galan007
Every feat you mentioned is a feat MANY heralds have been preforming for DECADES. Had Superman have preformed one of the feats you listed, I, personally, wouldn't have thought much of it-- I'd think: "Cool. He's back at his pre-reboot levels." Why? Because there are a lot more, and a lot better, ways to show the readers that Superman is getting stronger, without making said feats lulz-worthy comedy.
Like I said, put ANY character in Superman's place, and I'd still have the same opinion. Superman has nothing to do with why I feel the feat is comedic. Don't take things so personally. I'm allowed to have a different opinion than you.
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And just to clarify even more than I already have: this is a great feat for Supes. It happened on panel. It's canon. I'm not trying to take anything away from the fact that he preformed the feat-- I just think it was gratuitous, is all.
Originally posted by Golgo13Ya. There's one poster attacking anyone who doesn't like the feat. If you don't appreciate the drama, I suggest reporting him.
So, much drama over a friggen comic book feat. Gotta love it.
Anyhow I agree that the length of time that Superman was pressing the world weight (five days) and the fact that he wasn't even at his max is why the feat seems cheap, and completely aimed toward fan service. Pressing world weight once? Okay, he's done that before. Sitting there pressing world weight for five days at less than his max? Ya sorry, but that's pure fan service, plain and simple.
It's a cheap ass feat, but like Galan said, it's still a canon showing.
Originally posted by Blair Wind
To me, it's not about the fact that the feat is so superior, physically, to everyone else. I don't care that it's a high feat - at least it is (relatively) more believable than holding a black hole or singing as a tactic - I just don't like the way that it was presented or used. The same feat, the same numbers, used in a context that pushes the story forward rather than a workout session just to prove a point to readers would have worked IMO. It just feels like an extreme fan service.
but you haven't read the comic yet. How can you know that?
Originally posted by -Pr-
Philo, I'm on your side in this, but I really think the aggression could be toned down a little. I actually think you're right, and I know you're capable of debating without having to get so "in your face".To everyone else...
I just don't get it.
How is this feat any different from when Superman:
[list]Held a black hole
Pushed a celestial body that was using entropy itself against him
Moved so fast that time itself slowed to a crawl
Ingested the glue that holds the multiverse together
Put on "story armour" and fought a being that was devouring everything[/list]Or any other of his high feats were he basically said "Rules? Science? Keep your petty science, ima do what I want".
👆 Supermans ability (or luck) is amazing with all that he has gone up against!! Like almost dying 2 times in OWAW, first time being saved by Darkseid, then 2nd time being saved by Kismet when she took him outside of the universe. I look at it just that whatever happened in Superman annual 1 (I don't have it) between him and Helspont, it was enough to make him go and see Shay to test out his upper limits.. I don't have a problem with it, I don't know why anyone would.
Originally posted by abhilegend
New snyder interviewhttp://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41729
I'm sold.
Great can't wait! Batman 13 was pretty good imo. 🙂
Originally posted by kevdude
👆 Supermans ability (or luck) is amazing with all that he has gone up against!! Like almost dying 2 times in OWAW, first time being saved by Darkseid, then 2nd time being saved by Kismet when she took him outside of the universe. I look at it just that whatever happened in Superman annual 1 (I don't have it) between him and Helspont, it was enough to make him go and see Shay to test out his upper limits.. I don't have a problem with it, I don't know why anyone would.
Superman hadn't been dominated by an enemy like that in a long time. This could be akin to Mongul's training before OWAW in terms of Superman turning a corner and becoming more combat proficient, which I would really like.
Originally posted by abhilegend
New snyder interviewhttp://www.comicbookresources.com/?page=article&id=41729
I'm sold.
great interview
Originally posted by ODG
What the crap, photobucket just went down. They rebooted Guy Gardner too much. I collected his appearances, had a mess of scans, and I couldn't figure out how to structure it properly. Spent too many hours trying to figure out something workable. Someone else can do it, but the way I like to style my respect threads, the multiple retcons just made it untenable for my style.
Have you gathered scans on Guy? I don't really like him that much but if you've got some work for a proper respect thread I'd be interested in checking it out.
Someone at cbr made an interesting post about Flashpoint😛roject Superman
I thought Flashpoint's poject Superman was a very satiric look at the Post Crisis version of Superman, frail, confused, manipulated by his weaknessses, and clearly overshadowed in majesty by the endless numbers of unhibited post crisis Supermen from Supreme to Majestic to Black Adam to Captain Marvel to the Sentry.Yes I expect big things!
When Flashpoint ended, I thought, this wiil be the last we see of clueless Superman, goodbye Grounded.
My expectations increases with every day! Snyder better not **** it up.