Originally posted by Q99
I will note waaay back in the old Legion of Superheroes, when they had three Kryptonian types, Supergirl was the fastest, and between Mon-el and Clark... one was toughest and one was strongest, I forgot which is which."Supergirl is faster but less powerful," is a very old thing.
Supergirl wasn't deemed faster to superboy ever as I recall.
Originally posted by bluewaterrider
It would take a longer time to check than seems warranted at the moment, but Supergirl went so fast in on of the DC Comics Presents episodes, whichever one it was in which she and Superman fought Mongul and Warworld, that she crashed through every known barrier.Superman tried his best to catch her, pouring on speed as he never had before, but it proved useless. Kara, though UNCONSCIOUS from colliding with, and plowing straight on through, Warworld, was STILL going too fast.
In the end, despite shattering every barrier in the known Universe, Kara had to be retrieved by the Spectre, not Superman.
However, like so many stories of this sort, what actually occurred is ambiguous. It is heavily implied that what "really" took place was that Kara was not rendered unconscious but DIED from the head-on collision, that Superman in some way had his "prayer" answered by proving himself ready to risk and sacrifice his life for Kara's own, traditionally held by many as the greatest love one can demonstrate for someone else, and that whoever passes for "god" at DC, resurrected Kara on Superman's behalf.
Taken at face value, without all the meaning alluded to in the paragraph before this one? One could argue Supergirl was indeed faster than Superman. And by quite a margin, at that.
Superman failed to catch her no matter what he did or how long he chased her, even though she had rammed into something that should have slowed her down, and, indeed, at the least, knocked her completely out, meaning she had no more conscious effort to put into maintaining her lead in the race.Somehow, I think the author was trying to convey a different point, though, whether he believed Kara really did have such a physical speed advantage or not.
It might be interesting to discover the history of the "Black Racer" in conjunction with this. Superman essentially outraced Death through his actions, something I understand the Flash has done at various points in his history as well.
At the least, it might prove interesting to see which of those stories came first ...
As far as superboy/superman comparison, these scans take care of that.
Luthor plans to turn superman into superboy using his own mind
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14912578/luthorsplan.jpg.html
He regresses him to superboy who was punked easily by luthor who caught his punch like nothing.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14912577/luthorpunchcatch.jpg.html
Then superman realizes lex's plan
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14912599/supesrealizes.jpg.html
This happens
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14912602/supesrealizes1.jpg.html
Suffice to say superman was a lot more powerful than superboy.
Originally posted by -Pr-On that underlined part, I think you misread that. Looks like Aquaman is trying to telepathically summon help from sealife but Orm points out to him that all sealife had already retreated before the Atlantean assault and "they will not hear your cries for help."
So after reading JLA #16, and what had come before it, I don't think there can be really any doubt that Aquaman is now a solid herald. Low to be on the safe side, but I can see him going mid if Johns keeps pushing him.In this issue alone, we saw him:
Tank an explosive Batman had believed would put him down (at least temporarily).
Punch Superman with at least enough force to take him out of the fight for a few minutes.
Tackle Wonder Woman with speed and strength causing impressive collateral damage, without the lasso affecting him.
Take a punch from Wonder Woman that at most gave him a bloody lip.
Stun a group of Atlantean soldiers with a kind of "telepathic shockwave".That's a very impressive list for one issue.
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Also, who is Element Woman?
Originally posted by abhilegendHouse of El is proud.
No, there was no such distinction. Superboy and Mon-El were treated as equal whenever they fought despite whatever lip-service they were given. At first Mon was touted as stronger due to being older, but later superboy was deemed stronger to Mon-el. The last time they were compared, Mon said "I'm almost equal to superboy". Superboy also breached the force-field of time-trapper's machine which Mon was unable to with all his powers.Supergirl wasn't deemed faster to superboy ever as I recall.
Bullshit. Superman was about to catch kara despite her very large lead in a matter of moments but spectre stopped him.As far as superboy/superman comparison, these scans take care of that.
Luthor plans to turn superman into superboy using his own mind
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14912578/luthorsplan.jpg.html
He regresses him to superboy who was punked easily by luthor who caught his punch like nothing.
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14912577/luthorpunchcatch.jpg.html
Then superman realizes lex's plan
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14912599/supesrealizes.jpg.html
This happens
http://www.turboimagehost.com/p/14912602/supesrealizes1.jpg.html
Suffice to say superman was a lot more powerful than superboy.
Originally posted by EstacadoJust read it. I want Diana to beat the shit out of Kara and Kal to do the same with Hel. uhuh
Supergirl 16 fight ended with H'el porting Flash to the Watchtower...
I went on a new 52 marathon of various books, so it is most likely I get things mixed up or miss them but...does Kara know H'el's plan will destroy the earth? Did he or anyone tell her? Even if they didn't can't she realize it on her own? I hope H'el is the sole reason for Kara's behavior, and it better be some sort of power or device making her act this way because if it isn't...Kara shouldn't wear the FKN S shield and I'd love Kal-El to dump her in the pocket dimension machine thing uhuh.
JLA 16 was pretty good. You guys glorifying Arthur's feats kind of made me think the issue was just a huge atlantean wankfest, but it had a little bit of everything. We even had a little Supes/WW moment lol. The lightning from Orm's weapon packs quite the firepower, and it makes sense considering its one of those uber atlantean weapons like Arthur's trident. Plus they were all completely soaked in water.
How did Billy come into contact with anything JL? I thought his origin story was happening at the same time? Meh. Sucks reading too much stuff lol.
Originally posted by Zack FairThat's the weird part, they were all in water, yet only Supes, Wonder Woman and Aquaman got hurt. Magic lightning waves it all away, I guess.
The lightning from Orm's weapon packs quite the firepower, and it makes sense considering its one of those uber atlantean weapons like Arthur's trident. Plus they were all completely soaked in water.
Originally posted by Zack Fair
JLA 16 was pretty good. You guys glorifying Arthur's feats kind of made me think the issue was just a huge atlantean wankfest, but it had a little bit of everything. We even had a little Supes/WW moment lol. The lightning from Orm's weapon packs quite the firepower, and it makes sense considering its one of those uber atlantean weapons like Arthur's trident. Plus they were all completely soaked in water.
It was pretty good.
And glorifying or not, this is Aquaman's new canon power level.
Plus it's Aquaman.
Pretty much the benchmark for underrated and disrespected characters.
Even in comic forums, where people are supposed to know what they talk about.
It was way overdue, and even way more deserved.
Hal as the greatest Black Lantern?
http://www.comicvine.com/news/off-my-mind-hal-jordan-will-return-as-a-black-lantern/145875/
Originally posted by Golgo13... this makes no sense.
The original Stormwatch team members will be written out of Starlin's run and he will be using other space characters. Lobo, The Weird, and The Eye are the ones shown already. It's ok, because rumor is an Authority book will relaunch with Midnighter, Apollo, Engineer, etc...
Stormwatch has been established in the DCnU as the protectors of Earth from various threats across centuries. A concept that jives with Wildstorm's original Stormwatch.
Wildstorm's Authority was an upstart group of superheroes who decided to literally become the end-all, be-all authority of their world because the world was too phucked to protect or govern itself. That was the spirit of the Authority.
How does Starlin's pet characters fit the mold of the former, and how would the spirit of the Authority have any place in the DCnU (assuming they don't rape/disregard the complete concept of the Authority)?
Originally posted by ODG
... this makes no sense.Stormwatch has been established in the DCnU as the protectors of Earth from various threats across centuries. A concept that jives with Wildstorm's original Stormwatch.
Wildstorm's Authority was an upstart group of superheroes who decided to literally become the end-all, be-all authority of their world because the world was too phucked to protect or govern itself. That was the spirit of the Authority.
How does Starlin's pet characters fit the mold of the former, and how would the spirit of the Authority have any place in the DCnU (assuming they don't rape/disregard the complete concept of the Authority)?
Starlin just stated earlier today that he won't be using those characters, but creating a NEW team to replace them. It's also in the early solits as well. We've seen some preview art from the book and it looks more like space cheese.
Originally posted by Philosophía
It's fast enough to bullrush Wonder Woman at superspeed through cranes/docks.We can now safely say he beats Wolverine, even just going physically. 🙂
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Works for me.
Originally posted by ODG
On that underlined part, I think you misread that. Looks like Aquaman is trying to telepathically summon help from sealife but Orm points out to him that all sealife had already retreated before the Atlantean assault and "they will not hear your cries for help."
Not sure about that. he's using telepathy in both panels. in the first one, do you think the shockwave was caused by his trident instead?
Originally posted by ODG
... this makes no sense.Stormwatch has been established in the DCnU as the protectors of Earth from various threats across centuries. A concept that jives with Wildstorm's original Stormwatch.
Wildstorm's Authority was an upstart group of superheroes who decided to literally become the end-all, be-all authority of their world because the world was too phucked to protect or govern itself. That was the spirit of the Authority.
How does Starlin's pet characters fit the mold of the former, and how would the spirit of the Authority have any place in the DCnU (assuming they don't rape/disregard the complete concept of the Authority)?
This is Starlin. That guy never gives a shit.
Originally posted by -Pr-And in both panels nothing happens. And Orm explains why. And yes, if you want to call it a "shockwave," I believe Arthur swinging about his trident causes it. He causes similar "shockwaves" when he punches Superman, rushes Diana, punches Orm.
Not sure about that. he's using telepathy in both panels. in the first one, do you think the shockwave was caused by his trident instead?
