DCU gets remade - all books are #1s, Geoff Johns and Jim Lee on Justice League, more

Originally posted by AlmightyKfish
This isn't true...

Batman (like Green Lantern) is remaining almost entirely unchanged.

Dick, Jason, Tim, Steph (I think) and Damien have all been Robin, and Dick is going back to Nightwing after being Batman. Although Steph (likely) going back to Spoiler again after she outright told Bruce she would not stop being Batgirl is kinda lame.

Essentially, Batman is just having a renumbering. Especially seeing as Batman Inc is continuing.

The biggest change in the Batverse is going to be Babs/Oracle, but even then they're saying that she was still crippled by the Joker and was Oracle for awhile at least.

That being said, the loss of the JSA and making Supes the first ever hero is some that grates me, as I really like the idea of them being the first generation of hero's who inspired the others. And also I always loved that Sandman was the first ever hero in the DCU, as he was basically a guy in a gas mask, rather than a superpowered hero.

Also the backseating of Wally once again because Geoff Johns can't get over his Silver Age fetish is aggravating as hell.

Thank you. Someone who has been following the news. A lot of the characters haven't really changed at all, except for exterior changes like costumes, age, etc..., but the history will still remained intact, thus not making it a true reboot. There are a few changes, however, things I already pointed out.

^ Previews suggest otherwise.

Originally posted by Galan007
Considering the last series ended some 28 years ago, this seems like an unusual title to revamp- but based on the artwork/dialogue I've seen so far, it does have the potential to be really good.

Here are the books that I think will be good, some even near perfect.

Morrison on Action
Scott Snyder on Batman
JH Williams on Batwoman
Winick on Batwing
Higgins on Nightwing
Swierczynski on Birds of Prey
Bedard on New Guardians
Milligan on Red Lanterns
Jurgens on JLI
Azzarello on Wonder Woman
Johns on Aquaman
Manapul on Flash (Love that they are exploring his powers.)
Fabian on Legion Lost
Bedard on Blue Beetle
Rozum on Static Shock (Even though I am pissed they cancelled Xombi)
Edmondsun on Grifter
Ivan Brandon on Men of War
Cornell on Stormwatch and Demon Knights
Higgens on Deathstroke
Costa on Blackhawks
Lemire on Animal Man
Snyder on Swamp Thing
Milligan on JLA Dark
Lemire on Frankenstein
DNA On Resurrection Man
Fialkov on I Vampire
MAYBE Marz on Voodoo

Everyone of these except for 1 are proven writers from other publishers that can deliver. These are the titles that I am mostly looking forward to.

^ So you're basically looking forward to every title.

...Yeah, I don't share that same enthusiasm. I'll keep my eye on a select few books, but that's about it. srsly

Originally posted by Galan007
^ So you're basically looking forward to every title.

...Yeah, I don't share that same enthusiasm. I'll keep my eye on a select few books, but that's about it. srsly

That's about half, dude. A little more, but like I said most of those writers are PROVEN to be good and on characters that I love. Sue me!

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Like you said earlier, DC was changing it's continuity all the time. Seriously, this is no different, considering MOST of the things will be UNCHANGED. Also, I'm pretty sure DC has no say in the Superman changes. They might lose his character all together from what I hear.

Define "Most".

Stories and elements from SCW/Brightest Day/Blackest Night will remain canon (which figures as GL was/is one of DC's most successful franchises at the moment, to say nothing of it being Johns' brainchild). Same goes with stories and elements of Batman RIP/Inc.

But look at what we do know is changed/changing:

-Superman will be recognized as the world's first superhero, not just the first "modern age hero". His origin and personality have likewise been overhauled.

-The Justice League will likewise be the world's first superhero team, with superheroes in general being a new phenomenon. The JL's roster will also include Cyborg, removing J'onn from founding member status. How this effects the Teen Titans is anyone's guess. If the JLA is the first team ever, and Cyborg is a founder, does that make him as old as Bruce/Clark/Hal/Diana/Etc. now? Or will be in Dick's age bracket?

-The heroes in general will be younger.

Those three changes alone have rippling effects on DC as a whole. If Batman is going to be de-aged, how does that correlate with his sidekicks/Batfam? How do these events which are "mostly intact" effect characters who have been drastically altered such as Superman or Wonder Woman? If Superman is going to be a much more brooding less boyscout character, how does that effect his role in events which have been maintained such as Blackest Night, Brightest Day, etc. If Batman Inc is canon, wouldn't Batman RIP before that and Final Crisis also have to be canon to some degree and which parts "count" and which do not?

Elements, core personalities (for some) and aspects of the previous universe are crossing over, but yeah, a lot of the DCU is being changed. I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

Originally posted by Galan007
I'll keep my eye on a select few books, but that's about it. srsly

👆

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Define "Most".

Stories and elements from SCW/Brightest Day/Blackest Night will remain canon (which figures as GL was/is one of DC's most successful franchises at the moment, to say nothing of it being Johns' brainchild). Same goes with stories and elements of Batman RIP/Inc.

But look at what we do know is changed/changing:

-Superman will be recognized as the world's first superhero, not just the first "modern age hero". His origin and personality have likewise been overhauled.

-The Justice League will likewise be the world's first superhero team, with superheroes in general being a new phenomenon. The JL's roster will also include Cyborg, removing J'onn from founding member status. How this effects the Teen Titans is anyone's guess. If the JLA is the first team ever, and Cyborg is a founder, does that make him as old as Bruce/Clark/Hal/Diana/Etc. now? Or will be in Dick's age bracket?

-The heroes in general will be younger.

Those three changes alone have rippling effects on DC as a whole. If Batman is going to be de-aged, how does that correlate with his sidekicks/Batfam? How do these events which are "mostly intact" effect characters who have been drastically altered such as Superman or Wonder Woman? If Superman is going to be a much more brooding less boyscout character, how does that effect his role in events which have been maintained such as Blackest Night, Brightest Day, etc. If Batman Inc is canon, wouldn't Batman RIP before that and Final Crisis also have to be canon to some degree and which parts "count" and which do not?

Elements, core personalities (for some) and aspects of the previous universe are crossing over, but yeah, a lot of the DCU is being changed. I don't see how you could argue otherwise.

Uhm cause I read the interviews from the creators that say the characters will be unchanged. I already said the age thing, amongst the other stuff, but most of the continuity will still remained intact.

But, hey, they could be lying to us. 🙁

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Uhm cause I read the interviews from the creators that say the characters will be unchanged. I already said the age thing, amongst the other stuff, but most of the continuity will still remained intact.

But, hey, they could be lying to us. 🙁

The simple fact that they have revealed to us what will be changed pretty much shows us the entire landscape of the DCU will be.

Look at it like dominos, and take the JSA for example. Do you know how many events and stories have been removed, retconned, or revised with them no longer being the first superhero team, let alone existing period? And the events which have been said to exist have to be fundamentally altered in someway to compensate for them just not being there.

Hell, even JMS' Wonder Woman raised similar questions. And she's just one character.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
That's about half, dude. A little more, but like I said most of those writers are PROVEN to be good and on characters that I love. Sue me!

You're looking forward to nearly 30 titles -- that is considerably more than most. But hey, to each his own. 👆

The age thing doesn't matter to me and probably won't change the character all that much.

JSA I'll give you, but that's only one this against an entire universe. DC will feel different, but it won't override what's been told before.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
The age thing doesn't matter to me and probably won't change the character all that much.

JSA I'll give you, but that's only one this against an entire universe. DC will feel different, but it won't override what's been told before.

And the JSA is integral to current DC continuity if you read DC Universe Legacies... or, y'know, DC comics in general. Only the feel is different? Wishful thinking.

Prep-Man appears to be the only one excited about this whole ordeal.

Depends on where you go. A lot of people are interested in this relaunch. Some here as well.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Prep-Man appears to be the only one excited about this whole ordeal.

Originally posted by StyleTime
Prep-Man appears to be the only one excited about this whole ordeal.

Originally posted by quanchi112
Defending dc at every turn. I like marvel but if they do something I don't like I don't take marvel's side just because they are marvel.

Nope. MOST of DC's titles are hard to get through. There are a few gems, of course. If you put out so many titles, a bunch are bound to be bad.

Originally posted by King Kandy
I'm super excited.

I actually know a bunch of former comic fans that are getting into DC now, because of this relaunch. Plus Bruce is excited here, too. Not saying this is going to be a success or failure, BUT they are relaunching books that are to my liking, which is what I posted above. ✅

Originally posted by Prep-Man
Nope. MOST of DC's titles are hard to get through. There are a few gems, of course. If you put out so many titles, a bunch are bound to be bad.

Originally posted by Galan007
Geesh, just because I'm not as 'in' to this reboot as you are, doesn't mean you have to get so defensive. ermm

You're looking forward to nearly 30 titles -- that is considerably more than most. But hey, to each his own. 👆

Like I said, a little over half, which isn't every title. A lot of these books I'm looking forward to are completely new like Grifter, Blackhawks, JLA Dark, etc... Entirely new concepts for the DCU. And I was kidding on the sue me, so I am not defensive. I like you, Galan. 😛

I just want people to give it a chance. If it sucks, it sucks, if it's good, then you'll probably thank me later. 😉 Or not, I don't care.