DCU gets remade - all books are #1s, Geoff Johns and Jim Lee on Justice League, more

Originally posted by Prep-Man
From what I hear Punisher went from a Vietnam vet to desert storm and Iraqi, so it kinda contradicts his first origin.

DC characters will fundamentally be the same, with altered origins. Same as Marvel or any other publisher that has been around a long time.

That's updating his origin to keep it more contemporary with the times, something every comic character goes through. Same as the F4 trying to beat the Communists in the space race and Stark originally being injured in Vietnam. Which is still completely different from altering events and backgrounds and characters on the scale DC does. Does Marvel change stuff? Of course they do. But they don't do it on the scale that DC does.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
That's updating his origin to keep it more contemporary with the times, something every comic character goes through. Same as the F4 trying to beat the Communists in the space race and Stark originally being injured in Vietnam. Which is still completely different from altering events and backgrounds and characters on the scale DC does. Does Marvel change stuff? Of course they do. But they don't do it on the scale that DC does.

That is what DC is doing. Telling stories in modern times. And don't bring up Superman again. I know he's changing A LOT, but that is due to the legal issues and I think DC has no control over it.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
That is what DC is doing. Telling stories in modern times. And don't bring up Superman again. I know he's changing A LOT, but that is due to the legal issues and I think DC has no control over it.

Except...it's not.

Ok, let me put this way:

Originally the F4 were attempting to beat the USSR in the space race and Reed was actually a soldier in the war. This has since been tweaked and subtlety altered to make the characters stay roughly the same age and to make it make sense for subsequent generations. The premise is still fundamentally the exact same. Cosmic rays bath over the F4, they become Fantastic, etc, etc, yadda yadda. The team's formation is still the same. Their adventures are still the same (albeit updated to make sense for the times, especially when it came to aspects of the wars going on). Their history is still the same.

With DC, it's not. The JLA's line up is different, as is their origin to coming to being, and it effects virtually the entire DCU because of it. "Little" changes such as J'onn not being on the JLA have massive changes across the board, that's what I'm getting at.

It's not even a comparison.

Updating events to reflect real world events is one thing. This is another entirely.

Ah, but MM was on the JLA. That's not changing at all. So, I'm just going to have to agree to disagree. I'm done here. I'll be posting some preview stuff, that's it.

Fair enough.

For the record, I don't want to belittle you liking the DCnU; I respect that you do and everything. I wish I could be as enthused about it, but I just can't.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
All the main lines, except Superman is not changing. It's below 90%. Green lantern, Batman, and much of the Super family isn't changing as much as you think.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Fair enough.

For the record, I don't want to belittle you liking the DCnU; I respect that you do and everything. I wish I could be as enthused about it, but I just can't.

You weren't big on Wildstrom characters, right?

Originally posted by Prep-Man
You weren't big on Wildstrom characters, right?

I like Majestic and Grifter.

Cool, I hope Majestic shows up somewhere.

Gail and Ethan on Firestorm.

http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-simone-vansciver-firestrorm-110727.html

*sighs* wtf is this:

Please tell me that isn't FS.

It's probably Jason and the other FS joining together.

Morrison on Superman and New X-Men
http://video.comicbookresources.com/cbrtv/2011/cbr-tv-cci-grant-morrison-on-action-comics-new-x-men-and-much-more/

^ Funny interview.

...We need PR to come translate some of it, though (Scotland and Ireland are close enough, right..?) 😖hifty:

😛

Where the hell is PR? Haven't seen him around. 🙁

I thought he said his computer/internet is messed up in his sig or something.

So, still no word on the New Gods?

Originally posted by Omega Vision
So, still no word on the New Gods?

All I've heard is that they live on Earth-51 and Morrison is using them in Multiversity.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
I thought he said his computer/internet is messed up in his sig or something.

Ah, gotcha.

As for the New Gods, I have been keeping my ear to the ground. Morrison said they will appear in Multiversity next summer. Kinda sucks, but at least they'll be somewhere.

I'm gonna vent my frustration here, since all I have been saying is positive stuff.

1. Barbra as Batgirl = bleh!
2. No Orion series.
3. JSA absent.
4. GA new design
5. Tim Drake's new design.
6. Didio on OMAC. The new series looks good, but Dan just sucks on writing duties.
7. No new overhaul on Green Lantern. I was hoping for some new creative team.
8. No sign of Karate Kid in Legion.
9. Paul still on LOSH.
10. Paul on Huntress.

Prep-Man, I've never doubted that there will be good books in this series. I stated that flatly in my first disgruntled post. But I don't follow your logic that new origins for teams and often characters, as well as inserting entirely new teams and characters into the universe (as in, they've always been there) keeps anything the same.

Yes, many characters are staying similar, even some elements of their pasts are staying the same. But it's not the same universe, not the same past. It's a reboot. And for those of us who enjoy the characters because of their history, there's no reason to become equally invested in new characters with new origins in a new universe with new surroundings.

srug

Go ahead and feel excited, no one's stopping you. But don't insult our intelligence by trying to pretend we're looking at a "soft" anything. This is, by any scale, much more all-encompassing than Crisis 1, which is widely considered to be THE historical reboot.