Originally posted by quanchi112
Your welcome to your opinion but this seems like a bad idea to hardcore comic fans and to me a desperate plea to bring in casual fans that in the end could drive off the hardcores in the meantime.
Of course it's a desperate move. The comic industry is shrinking as a whole. Even Marvel has been shedding readers left and right.
Originally posted by Prep-ManMarvel doesn't do the major changeups as often as dc has been known to do. Thor's entire history still stands. Retcons here and there are one thing but events making entire histories null and void is another matter entirely. Marvel isn't dc.
They've been mucking with continuity as well. Both companies have been doing it for a while.
To be fair, Prep-Man, there's really no comparison to how DC handles their canon versus Marvel, and I like both companies and their properties equally.
Still, seems strange to essentially attempt to draw in new blood while not trying their damndest to keep the hardcore fans who keep the company afloat. Getting new fans is important, very much so, but you want to keep your base as much as possible, too.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
To be fair, Prep-Man, there's really no comparison to how DC handles their canon versus Marvel, and I like both companies and their properties equally.Still, seems strange to essentially attempt to draw in new blood while not trying their damndest to keep the hardcore fans who keep the company afloat. Getting new fans is important, very much so, but you want to keep your base as much as possible, too.
I think that's why a lot of things will stay in continuity. They are trying to keep their base, while trying to gain new readers.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
To be fair, Prep-Man, there's really no comparison to how DC handles their canon versus Marvel, and I like both companies and their properties equally.Still, seems strange to essentially attempt to draw in new blood while not trying their damndest to keep the hardcore fans who keep the company afloat. Getting new fans is important, very much so, but you want to keep your base as much as possible, too.
Originally posted by Prep-ManYes, certain things will always change here and there but not entire reboots as the dc is about to do right now. If this was an ultimate dc verse that would be far better while keeping the other dc on the shelves as another reality but what they are doing is mucking with practically every dc character and severely overhauling and dismissing continuity.
My point is that Marvel has changed and tweaked it's origins as well. I was talking about the comics that came out not too long ago.Also Punisher was changed and Marvel's Ultimate line had a reboot from what I hear.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
My point is that Marvel has changed and tweaked it's origins as well. I was talking about the comics that came out not too long ago.Also Punisher was changed and Marvel's Ultimate line had a reboot from what I hear.
Well, there's a difference.
With Punisher, for example, the character's history (as far as 616 goes, not MAX) is the same. He's evolved and went through his Frankencastle phase and apparently has been deaged some, but the events are still the same. The universe as a whole hasn't been refitted to accommodate Punisher.
Ultimate Universe, all lol worthy stunts aside, is still the same. They have events change the status quo and Ultimate Spider-Man has died, but the events haven't been done away with.
With DC, these events and entire histories are fundamentally altered, even with something simple like changing someone's age or making someone a founding member of a team they weren't on originally.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank👆
Well, there's a difference.With Punisher, for example, the character's history (as far as 616 goes, not MAX) is the same. He's evolved and went through his Frankencastle phase and apparently has been deaged some, but the events are still the same. The universe as a whole hasn't been refitted to accommodate Punisher.
Ultimate Universe, all lol worthy stunts aside, is still the same. They have events change the status quo and Ultimate Spider-Man has died, but the events haven't been done away with.
With DC, these events and entire histories are fundamentally altered, even with something simple like changing someone's age or making someone a founding member of a team they weren't on originally.
Originally posted by King Kandy
Yeesh. Again, kids are supposed to be the "base" of comics books. The fact that they now have only adult fans shows a tremendous failure with their base. They are just correcting that.
Where did you hear that from?
The demographic of comic book readers is firmly young adults, not children. It's been like that for years, and the comics coming out now only further cater to that demographic. There's a reason why Marvel Adventures and the Johnny DC line don't dominate the racks.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Well, there's a difference.With Punisher, for example, the character's history (as far as 616 goes, not MAX) is the same. He's evolved and went through his Frankencastle phase and apparently has been deaged some, but the events are still the same. The universe as a whole hasn't been refitted to accommodate Punisher.
Ultimate Universe, all lol worthy stunts aside, is still the same. They have events change the status quo and Ultimate Spider-Man has died, but the events haven't been done away with.
With DC, these events and entire histories are fundamentally altered, even with something simple like changing someone's age or making someone a founding member of a team they weren't on originally.
From what I hear Punisher went from a Vietnam vet to desert storm and Iraqi, so it kinda contradicts his first origin.
DC characters will fundamentally be the same, with altered origins. Same as Marvel or any other publisher that has been around a long time.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
It's an extensive reboot. There's no other way to describe it.At best, Green Lantern and Batman stuff is mostly intact.
I just listed all the titles/characters that won't be changing. It's more than what will be changed. Again, this is from what I have been reading from the creators themselves.