For Q on lack of female creators overblown.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-lack-of-female-creators-miscalculated-110803.html
For Q on lack of female creators overblown.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-lack-of-female-creators-miscalculated-110803.html
Mwah, mwah, mwah, my DC continuity has been broken. Marvel would never do that! Marvel handles continuity better! All I have to say is bullshit, bullshit, bullshit.
The characters will be the same, except they will have been updated. Nobody use continuity from the fifties. Iron Man never fought against the Vietcong, in Marvels present continuity. The excellent recent secret Avengers with the Black Widow showed how silly sliding scale continuity is. What DC is doing is very brave and it allows this generation to get the thrill the generation growing up in the nineties got when new universes appeared. The difference being this is better and more creative. Continuity the last bastion of a fanboy!
Yanick on Swamp Thing. The art is ridiculously good.
http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-yanick-paquette-swamp-thing-110803.html
Since I started Flashpoint, I'm seeing it through to the last couple issues. I saw Didio running spin control in the editor's comments in Flashpoint #4, answering the question "Why are we buying pre-Flashpoint comics?" I'm not sure if the answer made a ton of sense. About the only satisfying answer was (paraphrased) "Anything getting cancelled, we're giving it a good ending." The rest seemed to gloss over the whole reboot idea, to make it seem like as long as the series was continuing, nothing was changing. So the Batman issue I picked up last week with Dick as Batman, involved in a random Two-Face/Riddler plot that will have never existed...that was worth it?
Originally posted by Prep-Man
For Q on lack of female creators overblown.http://www.newsarama.com/comics/dcnu-lack-of-female-creators-miscalculated-110803.html
They still only had a very small number in the big 52-title relaunch in which they touted the diversity and made it off to be the big thing. At the least, that specific project has very little.
Let's not forget, a lot less people would have gotten on their case about it if they hadn't responded poorly (though there'd already been webcomics noting similar things...).
When asked at a panel, they responded by going after the fan and saying they had plenty rather than answering like that news article did. If they had said "Schedules didn't work out for a couple of our female writers on the launch, but don't worry, they *are* working on ther projects," there wouldn't be such a thing about it (though still reason to joke about the 52's lack).
Finally, to quote the end of the article:
"But with all the number crunching, one thing is certain: While the percentages may lack meaning, the comic book industry is suddenly talking about why so few women work in comics — and why even fewer of them work for major publishers, on the most iconic characters in comics. And that discussion isn't meaningless at all."
It has been some issue before this hubub. DC just brought attention to it (in the odd fashion of bragging before doing anything).
Long story short, DC obviously didn't think about it at all before the con, got called on it, and are doing something. I think it's a bit late to say DC didn't make any mistakes in their handling when *DC themselves* has decided corrective action is needed, don't you think? 🙂
Digi
About the only satisfying answer was (paraphrased) "Anything getting cancelled, we're giving it a good ending."
I do like a good ending/epilogue...
On your Batman comic, I'll note it's supposed to continue on relatively unchanged. But yea, *continuity* wise there's not a ton of reason to read DC til Flashpoint. I read 'em because I like the current versions of the characters.
Martian Mind
Every member of the big 7 is given that treatment, so it isn't that. Hell, in the Big 7 I'd say only Aquaman is more useless than WW, but now that Jonn's gone he's their telepath, so she's pretty much bottom rung.
Oh yea, the only member of the league who's been shown to reliably stalemate Superman is useless 😆
Not to mention how hax her lasso is in dealing with a lot of villains. Restrain that which can't be restrained otherwise, break enchantments and mind control (which comes up a *lot*), and take down even super powerful opponents depending on motive.
You done trollin'?
Originally posted by Prep-Man
I think the versatility was through race of characters and gender. At least that's what I read at the con. They're not just specifically stating they used a lot of female creators. But I might have missed that.
They're not doing *great* on female characters either, mind you. Like look at the league lineup- note the presence of an entire one female character on the covers 🙂
In that area I think they more shuffled around than declining, but they didn't get better.
Originally posted by Q99Oh yea, the only member of the league who's been shown to reliably stalemate Superman is useless 😆
Not to mention how hax her lasso is in dealing with a lot of villains. Restrain that which can't be restrained otherwise, break enchantments and mind control (which comes up a *lot*), and take down even super powerful opponents depending on motive.
You done trollin'?
Nah, since your first line is utter BS, and frankly her only real contribution to the League is magic and titties, both which could be better supplied by Zatanna. If Wonder Woman didn't have the "Woman" in her name, she wouldn't be anywhere near the league.
Originally posted by Martian_mind
Nah, since your first line is utter BS,
When Superman needs to be stopped, there's only two people they call upon, Wondy and Billy (who's generally not in the league, otherwise I'd say "one of the two who reliable stalemates Supes"😉.
Among her attributes, don't forget her high physical power that let her go toe-to-toe with other top powerhouses, better reflexes than Supes, her bracers that can stop Darkside's omega effect... that sort of thing.
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Here's a question: Why does Wonder Woman attract more trolls than anyone else? Because even though I'm doing a little arguing, I can't honestly buy that mm believes what he's saying in the slightest.
Originally posted by Prep-Man
They're doing a lot better than MU, where they only have a handful of female titles.Word is, DC asked a few female creators, but they turned them down. 🙁
I wouldn't want female creators working on books, just to have female creators. It all depends on the talent they have.
Honestly I'm kinda glad this happened. DC and Marvel both need more female writers, and it shouldn't be at all hard to recruit more for companies of their size. They can recruit from novelists, they get many submissions, etc.. If they don't have many writers it's purely because they aren't trying.
If DC had a bit more and it never came up, then it wouldn't be brought up so publicly. Better for it to be openly addressed and dealt with rather than boil in the back.
Originally posted by Q99
Here's a question: Why does Wonder Woman attract more trolls than anyone else? Because even though I'm doing a little arguing, I can't honestly buy that mm believes what he's saying in the slightest.
plenty of characters get it worse, but: joking machismo, dislike of the character, feigned mysoginy, and, as crass as this sounds, the attitude of the "wonder fans" doesn't help either.
even your statements above could be taken as such. i don't remember the last time she "reliably stalemated" him, without barely coming out of it in one piece.
that, and MM's an Aussie. That's all there is to say about that.
Originally posted by Q99
Honestly I'm kinda glad this happened. DC and Marvel both need more female writers, and it shouldn't be at all hard to recruit more for companies of their size. They can recruit from novelists, they get many submissions, etc.. If they don't have many writers it's purely because they aren't trying.If DC had a bit more and it never came up, then it wouldn't be brought up so publicly. Better for it to be openly addressed and dealt with rather than boil in the back.
they need GOOD writers, male or female. i hardly think it's a coincidence that more men read comics and more in turn join the industry. i read about that girl at comic-con, and tbh, her attitude came off as, well, whiny.
gail simone, nicola scott and amanda conner have shown that if you're good enough, regardless of whatever "boys club" that exists, you can make it in the industry.
Originally posted by -Pr-
plenty of characters get it worse, but: joking machismo, dislike of the character, feigned mysoginy, and, as crass as this sounds, the attitude of the "wonder fans" doesn't help either.
I'm hard pressed to think of one.
Also, if it's consistent enough, 'feigned misogyny' is really just misogyny. It's like the saying goes, there's no 'pretending' to be a jerk, if you're acting like a jerk, you're a jerk.
even your statements above could be taken as such.
Oh, the whole "attitude of the fans!" argument is bunk. 'That person likes a character/is defending a character in response to trolling! That's a perfect (retroactive) justification for trolling!'.
It's not true with Wolverine fans, fans, Superman fans, Hulk fans, or whatever. If your justification for slagging off a character is that people reactive negatively to slagging off a character... well, duh, that's because of how you were acting first. If defending a point is what makes fans look bad in your eyes, then the problem really isn't with the fans, it's with you.
i don't remember the last time she "reliably stalemated" him, without barely coming out of it in one piece.
The last five times they fought were Sacrifice, For Tomorrow, League of One, Circe-fied Superman, and the Tenth Circle. Bloody win by Wondy, stalemate with neither hurt, brief conflict where Supes gets a few bruises and then they break things off, fight until she breaks his enchantment in exchange for some wounds, and stalemate until a vampire helps Superman.
The results are highly consistent, there really isn't room for argument here.
Just like Superman can beat Captain Marvel, but most of the time when they fight it's a stalemate because actually pushing things far enough and long enough to get a win is a pretty rare thing.
they need GOOD writers, male or female. i hardly think it's a coincidence that more men read comics and more in turn join the industry.
A higher proportion than is represented in the makers, though.
And again, they're in a position to decide the proportion of writers. They can mine and specifically look for people in different demographics if they want.
i read about that girl at comic-con, and tbh, her attitude came off as, well, whiny.
That's a classic response whenever anyone wants to bury an argument they don't want to listen to. If you don't like the subject it's automatically just 'whiny.'
You can write off any complaint as whiny if you want to, or you can listen to it.
Honestly I find your complaint a bit whiny. I'll try and listen to it anyway.
gail simone, nicola scott and amanda conner have shown that if you're good enough, regardless of whatever "boys club" that exists, you can make it in the industry.
Yea, but you shouldn't have to be better than most everyone else to get in. Requiring a higher standard of some people makes it harder for them to get in.
Originally posted by Q99
I'm hard pressed to think of one.Also, if it's consistent enough, 'feigned misogyny' is really just misogyny. It's like the saying goes, there's no 'pretending' to be a jerk, if you're acting like a jerk, you're a jerk.
Oh, the whole "attitude of the fans!" argument is bunk. 'That person likes a character/is defending a character in response to trolling! That's a perfect (retroactive) justification for trolling!'.
It's not true with Wolverine fans, fans, Superman fans, Hulk fans, or whatever. If your justification for slagging off a character is that people reactive negatively to slagging off a character... well, duh, that's because of how you were acting first. If defending a point is what makes fans look bad in your eyes, then the problem really isn't with the fans, it's with you.
The last five times they fought were Sacrifice, For Tomorrow, League of One, Circe-fied Superman, and the Tenth Circle. Bloody win by Wondy, stalemate with neither hurt, brief conflict where Supes gets a few bruises and then they break things off, fight until she breaks his enchantment in exchange for some wounds, and stalemate until a vampire helps Superman.
The results are highly consistent, there really isn't room for argument here.
Just like Superman can beat Captain Marvel, but most of the time when they fight it's a stalemate because actually pushing things far enough and long enough to get a win is a pretty rare thing.
A higher proportion than is represented in the makers, though.
And again, they're in a position to decide the proportion of writers. They can mine and specifically look for people in different demographics if they want.
That's a classic response whenever anyone wants to bury an argument they don't want to listen to. If you don't like the subject it's automatically just 'whiny.'
You can write off any complaint as whiny if you want to, or you can listen to it.
Honestly I find your complaint a bit whiny. I'll try and listen to it anyway.
Yea, but you shouldn't have to be better than most everyone else to get in. Requiring a higher standard of some people makes it harder for them to get in.
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go peddle your agenda somewhere else, please. Failing that, re-read my post, please, and try to respond to the actual points I made, not your defensive interpretation of them.
And just in case I'm not being clear, it's posts like the one you just made that give WW such a bad reputation; instead of just being treated like a good character, she's latched on to by every so-called "feminist" trying to push their own "boys are mean" agenda.
if the character could actually get out of that, she'd no doubt benefit from it.
Colored pics of Animal Man. Looks good. I'm pissed off DC isn't pushing it's obsucre titles like Frankenstein, BOP, or Grifter.
I don't know if anybody has mentioned it, but it's been said that
a. Justice League's first arc takes place 5 years in the past.
b. Action Comics #1 takes place 6-7 months before the first arc of the Justice League and he doesn't have the costume or the power of flight, yet.
c. Batman operates in the shadows even before Superman, as an urban legend, but Superman is the first superhero to truly appear.
This makes everything in the DCU, up until the current point where most of the other titles are taking place, as being about 5 and a half years old, so even the older superheroes are in their mid 20s.