DCU gets remade - all books are #1s, Geoff Johns and Jim Lee on Justice League, more

Started by Prep-Man367 pages

For you Swamp Thing and Animal Man lovers:

Lemire: "Did you guys know that next Monday @Ssnyder1835 and I aregoing to the DC offices to pitch a huge Swampyand Aman year long xover?"

Snyder: "It's true - we are pitching a huge 2nd arc x-over RT @kirei_gaisuto: @JeffLemire @Ssnyder1835 Don't tease me like that."

Lemire: "It's happening you guys. It's called DEADWORLD and it's epic. Swampy and Aman and Abby and Maxine vs the world!"

Snyder: "Yes RT @Spacecase_: @JeffLemire @Ssnyder1835 will swampy and aman still be keeping their own books if this crossover happens?"

Glad to see Andy Kubert is doing issues 5 and 6 of action comics. Morales is not one of my favourites...

Looking forward to Demon Knights and GL most this week. I've got high hopes for the kinds of potential Demon Knights has with big players like Mordru and Vandal Savage.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I love how a bunch of books are exploring more of the characters mythos. Like with Animal Man and the Red, Swamp Thing and the green, Flash and the Speed Force, and Hawkman and Nth Metal, OMAC and Cadmus, etc...

Anyone agree?

Big mythology fan 👆

Possibly massive Wonder Woman spoilers (I even put the link in spoilers):

Link:

Spoiler:
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/rorschachsrants/news/?a=47846&t=COMICS_iWonder_Womani_3_To_Radically_Alter_Dianas_Origin

Actual content for those who don't want to click it

Spoiler:
By Zeus! Wonder Woman is a daddy's girl. The iconic character is getting something she's never had in her almost 70-year-old history -- a father.

"She's going to learn she's not who she was told she was," "Wonder Woman" writer Brian Azzarello told The Post.

A storyline in the amazing Amazon's newly relaunched comic will reveal she's actually the daughter of Zeus, the thunderbolt throwing father of the Olympian gods.

This is a radical departure from the previous Wonder Woman canon that has maintained over the character's long history. The original origin story had Diana's mother Hippolyta fashion her from clay and have life breathed into her by the other Greek Goddesses. But sometimes a change can be a good thing as writer/artist team Brian Azarello and Jim Lee explain..

"In this case, making her a god actually makes her more human, more relatable," DC co-publisher Jim Lee said.

"Everybody's got a father," Azzarello said. "Even if he's not the nicest guy in the world.

The article also suggests that this will not be the only character receiving a few changes to their origins and more will be revealed at NYCC. What do you guys make of this? I think there are pros and cons to the change but for the most part I'm open to it. For more from Azarello and Lee click the link below.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2011/10/10/the-new-york-post-spoils-wonder-woman-3-big-time/

Jim Lee doesn't know wtf he's talking about, to be honest. He should really just stick to artistic duties.

As is, I'm not sure how I feel about it.

So they basically stole Cassie's origin and retconned her out. Figures.

Also, that sounds a lot like the premise of a Thor book or something.

will wait and judge after the issues come out and i read them

Animal Man
Superboy
Uh, that's it. Those are the only books that really held my interest. Swamp Thing started out too slow to tell for sure.

edit: Wow, that's really stupid for Wondy.

Originally posted by Konton
Animal Man
Superboy
Uh, that's it. Those are the only books that really held my interest. Swamp Thing started out too slow to tell for sure.

edit: Wow, that's really stupid for Wondy.

No JL Dark?! It was an awesome book.

Well Wonder Woman's origin was always pretty stupid. I mean, I've explained Wonder Woman's origins to several girl friends who weren't into comics and seen the looks on their faces, none of them were all that impressed. Magic clay? Come on.

Daughter of Zeus though? Kind of lame. Should have made her the daughter of Hercules and Hippolyta, at least that would have been interesting, especially with the back story already in place for the characters.

I'd rather have Zeus. Herc is an ASS!

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'd rather have Zeus. Herc is an ASS!

Herc being the father and Wonder Woman being the product of rape adds some potentially unique and interesting stories elements. Zeus being the father is something that has been done hundreds of times. Boring.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
I'd rather have Zeus. Herc is an ASS!

Zeus tried raping Diana before and was only stopped by Hippolyta's pleas and Athena getting involved. Zeus is just as much of an ass.

I will say this idea that every character must be "relatable" to readers is ridiculous. I have next to nothing in common with my favorite characters, but I still like them. Trying to force a character to relate with a reader is a bad mistake.

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Herc being the father and Wonder Woman being the product of rape adds some potentially unique and interesting stories elements. Zeus being the father is something that has been done hundreds of times. Boring.

Not if you can tell a good story and add new elements. Brian Azz so far is 1 for 1.

BTW, I love these #5 covers...

And I love Snyder's description of the Court of Owls:

I'll tell you this, what I want to do is I want it to be an enemy for Bruce where I wanted to create something that really scares him in a big way. For me that takes a slow build; it's not just somebody who pops up and is frightening, because Bruce has faced the scariest guys face to face and taken them down time and time again. This is something that is a bit more of a creeping horror and something that's been there in the background. We've actually tried to tease the symbol of the Court of Owls at different times in "Detective" and in "Batman" #1 and in different places as well. So it's an idea that's been in the atmosphere for me and Greg and some of the others guys I was talking to about it when we were doing "Detective" for a while. Not just one person or an organization made of characters that are visible the way something like the Black Glove was, but it's much more insidious in that the way owls nest wherever they want; this sense of their presence being in places that Bruce never would have expected, really close to home and in places he considers safe. And that their instruments of power and the way that they've manipulated things historically in Gotham are going to be sort of shockingly brutal and frightening to Bruce. He is really up against a very scary enemy in its meaning and its nature with the Court of Owls, and then in its actual physical manifestation and the things they send to kill him.

I just want to say one other thing about this idea of owls, that in some ways if Gotham is at a crossroads with this symbol, this organization that's decided to come out of the woodwork to finally turn this big eye towards Bruce and say, "You know what? We're sick of Batman, let's crush him and his whole world," there is this sense of the Bat being the only Bat but there's a lot of sense of bird imagery that we've tried to use in "Detective" and in "Batman." So, is Gotham really a city of the Bird or a city of the Bat? In that way a lot of the characters who have been Robins and such and a lot of the characters in Bruce's Bat family will be pitted against him. To me, at the end of the day, one of the great storylines in Batman is the sense of Dick Grayson eventually having to bring Bruce in; I think you see parts of that in "Batman Beyond" and "Dark Knight Returns." He's the son who is meant to take down the father if he's ever gone too far, and that's a story we're really playing with too and a theme and a note we're trying to hit and play up because I think it's one of the saddest, most fascinating and heroic kind of storylines in Batman.

Originally posted by Prep-Man
BTW, I love these #5 covers...

Seen enough Hentai to know where that's going.

She-Male Wondy?

Originally posted by Bentley
She-Male Wondy?

Would probably be the tamest outcome.

Here are the sales figures for September 2011! Hope they can keep it up
http://www.comichron.com/monthlycomicssales/2011/2011-09.html

Originally posted by srankmissingnin
Herc being the father and Wonder Woman being the product of rape adds some potentially unique and interesting stories elements. Zeus being the father is something that has been done hundreds of times. Boring.

I agree, that woulda been the way to go imo.

Batman and Robin: A mixed bag; dialogue is a bit shaky, but I like this whole "I'm trying to stop Damian from becoming a serial killer" angle.
Green Lantern: Solid, makes me want to read the next issue.
Superboy: All right... And that's it. It's not a bad book, it's just... not a very good one either.
Batwoman: Meh. I mean, it's a good book, but it just doesn't grab me.