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Originally posted by The Scenario
You're not the opposition. The opposition is the Mortal Kombat side. You're more of a naysayer to anything Zelda related. I would be busy convincing quanchi if not for your distraction. I find it odd that you won't nitpick Raiden's supposed castle buster, seeing as they're the same thing. I didn't see Raiden destroy the castle; I just saw him attack and then the scene went outside and the castle exploded. No proof Raiden did it, but you'll accept that. Now, then, I'm sure you'll have no problem showing me several people who survived in a exploding castle with no injuries, when standing next to the explosion itself. Then the screen filling with light at the barrier and the castle is just one more thing they have in common."No reason not to" is horrible logic. You have no proof he didn't, so he automatically did? If he was going to do something, he'd have done it by then, and the growling is just to prove he's still in the room when it explodes. The castle is indeed a different material from the barrier, explaining the smoke.
There was light, the screen shook, and an explosive force pushed the barrier's pieces outward after the initial hit. Same as the castle. Enough similarities to link them.
Yes, and it's identical to the light that appears when Midna hits the barrier. The scene change doesn't really matter.
You're just choosing to interpret the barrier in a way that makes it different as opposed to what actually happened. The barrier, if you actually watch the video, does not "fall away" at any point. It gets pierced, then an explosive force pushes then outward. In the same fashion as the castle is forced outward. I've shown enough evidence to prove Midna destroyed the castle, while all you've done is use this "can't prove he didn't, maybe he did this" nonsense that makes logic cry.
So? You're assuming the magic weapon being magic changes what happens when it hits something? If you'd watch the video, the spear pierces the barrier and an explosive force breaks it into pieces and pushes them in all directions. I'm sure you can provide a helpful visual representation of what ice molecules look like when heat is applied, otherwise you're not saying anything. Midna then pushing a possessing spirit out of a possessed being somehow means she can no longer touch his spirit according to you, which makes little sense. Whether or not Ganondorf is immaterial is immaterial to the discussion, since Midna has a magic weapon proven to break castles.
No, because the explosion only occurred after the initial strike, when Midna caused it to be pushed outward, identically to the castle rumbling a bit before the explosion pushing it outward. I never said the shards did not disappear, simply that your suggestion that the explosion was an unraveling was silly. It just disappeared after the explosion.
It means you're just as stubborn. I have presented my argument and all evidence for it repeatedly just for you to deny it every step of the way. You're taking your own brand of truth to the barrier and castle, but to all appears you've refused to give any evidence for it beyond your own belief. The similarities I've already shown you so many times, yet you continue to deny on no evident grounds. The weapon, the light, the rumble, the explosion, everything about the scenes except the smoke is near identical, but you don't seem to want to accept the evidence. You've made clear through your continuous antagonism and arguments that you dislike Zelda, compounded by the fact that refuse to play the games. My conclusion has been presented repeatedly and in video form, you refusing to accept it does not make it go away.
Your argument is based on "maybe," "what if," and "no reason not to," without any evidence to back up why you think that way. It annoys me that you deny the evidence on "fan bias" grounds when you won't put forward your own when asked. I have evidence, and you can't change that no matter how hard you try.
I am here to regulate how fallacies are being tossed around and poor logic, it just so happens that most of it concerns Zelda, thats not my fault, i have done it to other verses before. Raidens was far more obvious, his was not an ambigious strike but you actually see him explode. You also have a voice over, indicating whats actually happening, if Midna began a long term charge and a voice over said she had to unleash her full power before we actually see it then I would not be here.
As much as I accept your knowledge on horrible logic, I did not say thats what actually happened, only that on the same evidence as you saying he did nothing, I am pointing out he could have just as been likely doing something, a growl is no indication of anything really. We dont hear any explosion, unless you have "scene sight" and have the power to watch the scene for longer than the game allows you dont know he was even there.
Show me the light, the rumble and the explosion when Midna actually strikes up until the point ti screen fades out please, you wont be able to because apprently Ganons oh so loud growl drowns it out.
😆 its nothing alike, we actually see beams of energy and sunlight on the barrier, all over the barrier here we dont see anything but a thrust and a screen fade out which looks more grey than light. We see the same thing before the scene change in the barier one. I like how you just ignored the evidence and what I said...
Again your self idolising view when you think your opinion=fact, I am watching the same scene and theres no explosion, theres a long drawn out ray of light that melts away the magic of the barrier, it all matches up to what I am saying and makes sense when concenring magic forces over physical. nonsense that makes logic cry is a long list of assumptions and conclusions that a station of bias has drawn together is apprently going to convince anyone, and that two completly different scenes equel the same outcome.
If you watched the video no force happens at all, the piecs fall away after a long time of magic power being transfered through the light. You missed the visual description and added a red herring in its place 🙄 , no she can touch Zelda and her fused shadows power cannot be resisted by Ganon at the point. You sort of added a random statement without anything concerning the thread here.
😆 your claiming there was actually unraveling/disapating magic but after the strike so you dont have to admit you were wrong about the scene, your so stubborn for prides sake. I hear no explosion, I only see shards falling and light radiating outwards from them like sunlight not a huge fireball ala an explosion.
Hardly, I have actually conceded to things before but I dont recall you conceding to anything, just argueing some nonsense further. I am watching and using the same evidence and denying piecies that are either irrelevent or dont show what you claim. You cant expect to convince someone just because you post a random video and use your beliefs on it to prop up your beliefs on another...theories from a bias position do not=fact. Your acting like you have "all" the evidence, what evidence do you think were discussing? or that I am using? 🙄 you refusing to accept your bias conclusions are not fact will not make me go away either, or the opposition.
NO!, you dont even grasp my argument, my argument is based on the fact your argument is"maybe" and"what if", the fact youve drawn some conclusion together changes nothing and my evidence is the same stuff your using. It annoys me when you constantly think I am trying to prove Ganon or the pair of them destroyed the castle and that you repeatadly act like your own opinion on a scene is all that matters.
Originally posted by MooCowofJustice
In GoW2 you do not see the whole of Atlas underground, you do not see his legs for example or the lower pieces of his body iirc, did you assume he was hovering on his knee stumps?
Wiggle out of my own rules? my own rules are clear and do not cover what your claiming, look at you trying to troll just like old times because you have no debating style of your own.
Oh I dont know, an anti material rifle designed for taking out vehicles could smash a castle wall, I am certain of that or a JDM dropped by a plane.
That does not mean a treb can blow up a castle, your assuming somehow Ganon took the combined force of what hit the enitre castle, rather than simply what part of it hit him.
We may well be seeing it considering shes according to you fighting someone she has little chance against, someone immaterial she may not hit and with the intension of wiping out a building while shes inside it. If we take what Scenario said she may even intentially using power that beforehand knocked her out.....
Trolling agian ,lrn2debate please.
Ah I am used to you not understanding so theres no point explaining who they are, but Karl is certainly your spiritual role model if anything else.
Of course I would, its a good thing to get poor logic and nonsense we dont see out of the way, fan belief is boring and worthless in an argument and I would rather argue your really bad logic than none at all.
I do the same if not more than any of them, and if I have to put up with your nonsense trolling with is worse than Quan who may even be your debating better considering you dont really debate anyway you can show some courtesy and debate rather than troll. I think its amusing how you think you deserve respect you do not show others.