Originally posted by Silent MasterWell the ones who got killed could be more powerful since the comic says that are powerful enough to overwhelm and kill Umar in her own realm. So yes. Also Sasquatch, Bi-Beast, Fang Foom etc. are known Savage Hulk peers and have battle Hulk evenly for years. Even Arm'Chedon is about a peer to Savage Hulk.
Can you prove that the ones that performed those feats were the exact same ones that got killed by HoTM?
Originally posted by h1a8
Well the ones who got killed could be more powerful since the comic says that are powerful enough to overwhelm and kill Umar in her own realm. So yes. Also Sasquatch, Bi-Beast, Fang Foom etc. are known Savage Hulk peers and have battle Hulk evenly for years. Even Arm'Chedon is about a peer to Savage Hulk.
Offensive power and durability are two different things, so I'll ask again, what durability feats did the ones HoTM destroyed actually have?
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Do you know anything about anything at all?
Seems to me like Tony Stark knows his stuff.
Hercules IS stronger than Zeus. Not so sure about Gladiator being stronger than Hercules though :-7 I don't think that he is, but even if he is near Hercules strength level, he is still much stronger than Zeus.
On topic:
In a regular fist fight, without any other powers... Gladiator would actually win, because Zeus - just like Odin - is not the physically strongest of his race. They need to amp their physical attributes with magic.
In a fight, where Zeus is allowed to amp himself up with magic, the way he did against the Hulk - then yeah, Zeus absoultely rage-stomps.
Originally posted by h1a8
PIS doesn't happen in forum fights. Glads will use his speed. He will outhit Zeus more than 5 to 1.
His speed advantage wouldn't matter at that point.
Skyfathers can amp themselves up to a point, where they don't even register the damage output of high heralds anymore.
This "skyfathers need to amp" stuff isn't based on anything remotely shown in the comics. Odin doesn't need to amp to physically tool the likes of Thor. He just does it by being that powerful. Handbooks can cite Odin at being around 60 or whatever tons whereas Thor is 100 ton class all they want, but the comics clearly show that Odin's physicality, while weakened, is enough to manhandle Ulik with ease.
As far as Zeus goes, I'm not sure why people think he "amped" to fight Hulk instead of consider the possibility he's just that powerful to begin with. Sure, his fists had "lightning" effects, but that doesn't mean he had to "power up" or will himself to be physically stronger. If anything, given his status as a God of Lightning, it's just aftermath from Zeus being that powerful.
We do have instances of guys like Odin "amping", but it's not like at all how people describe it in versus forums.
Originally posted by JakeTheBank
This "skyfathers need to amp" stuff isn't based on anything remotely shown in the comics. Odin doesn't need to amp to physically tool the likes of Thor. He just does it by being that powerful. Handbooks can cite Odin at being around 60 or whatever tons whereas Thor is 100 ton class all they want, but the comics clearly show that Odin's physicality, while weakened, is enough to manhandle Ulik with ease.
Oh well, I guess these "numbers and rules" are from times, where Hulk's base strength was supposed to be 100 tons and that his rage was increasing his strength further :-7
But many bios state that Hercules is the strongest Olympian with Zeus being the second strongest (and Ares the third strongest).
Originally posted by Enzeru
Oh well, I guess these "numbers and rules" are from times, where Hulk's base strength was supposed to be 100 tons and that his rage was increasing his strength further :-7But many bios state that Hercules is the strongest Olympian with Zeus being the second strongest (and Ares the third strongest).
Well, that's sorta the problem: handbooks/bios are usually shit when it comes to accurately gauging the limit of powers. They're decent for like overall origins and histories and a very basic description of powers, but they pale in comparison to the actual feats that display in actual comics. Even the weakest Hulks, by all rights, can reach 100 ton in class quite easily going by feats.
Bios state that, sure. Bios also state that Thor is physically the strongest Asgardian, but the actual comics themselves show that Odin has the might to physically treat Thor like a child if he's so inclined.
Originally posted by h1a8
Prove that it was a good chunk and not a piece the size of a very small town.
A tiny crack in a moon.HoTM feat is vastly different.
1. Not only did it destroy the planet (and cracked the moon) but it disintegrated thousands of Savage Hulk peers (which collectively are vastly greater than a destroying a planet).
2. Thor used a tool that amps striking power greatly and not his fists.
3. Thor applied many many strikes in a prolong battle across space.
4. Gorr was fighting as well but mostly doing stabbing strikes (which still do add to collateral since Thor is very durable).Bottom line Thor's feat was impressive, but nowhere near Hulk's and certainly not proof that Thor can bust a planet with his own strength.
HoTM involves them destroying planet-sized objects as a side effect of their battle. Thor and Gorr shattering nearby worlds was a side effect of their battle. For someone who claims to be a real-life math teacher, you're having an awfully hard time computing what 2+2 equals to.
Originally posted by Epicurus
My proof lies in the comicbook issues written by Jason Aaron. 'Nuff said.HoTM involves them destroying planet-sized objects as a side effect of their battle. Thor and Gorr shattering nearby worlds was a side effect of their battle. For someone who claims to be a real-life math teacher, you're having an awfully hard time computing what 2+2 equals to.
They didn't destroy the worlds though. They cracked them slightly. Also the fight was a prolong ongoing battle across space. Many hits were exchanged. Thor used a tool that amps his striking power tremendously instead of his fists. WBH's feat was a one shot thing that completely destroyed (not slightly cracked) the planet and moon but more importantly disintegrated thousands of peers of Savage Hulk. Disintegrating the peers is magnitudes more powerful than destroying a planet.
Thor's feat is impressive. His best IMO but a far cry from WBH's feat. Lastly, although the feat is impressive it still doesn't prove that Thor can destroy a world WITH HIS FISTS ONLY, which is the argument.
Originally posted by Sabro
Speed is such a deal breaker. Makes you wonder why Hermes isn't the head of the pantheon right.
I know why? Because in comics Power > speed although it goes against common sense. How can a statue beat someone? Good thing forum fights are different than comic PIS ones.
Originally posted by h1a8
They didn't destroy the worlds though. They cracked them slightly. Also the fight was a prolong ongoing battle across space. Many hits were exchanged. Thor used a tool that amps his striking power tremendously instead of his fists. WBH's feat was a one shot thing that completely destroyed (not slightly cracked) the planet and moon but more importantly disintegrated thousands of peers of Savage Hulk. Disintegrating the peers is magnitudes more powerful than destroying a planet.Thor's feat is impressive. His best IMO but a far cry from WBH's feat. Lastly, although the feat is impressive it still doesn't prove that Thor can destroy a world WITH HIS FISTS ONLY, which is the argument.
Go back to stage 0 of your real-life fake academy and learn what 2+2 equates to. Until then, this debate isn't really for the likes of you, not that any Thor-related discussion ever has been so to begin with.
Originally posted by Enzeru
Seems to me like Tony Stark knows his stuff.Hercules IS stronger than Zeus. Not so sure about Gladiator being stronger than Hercules though :-7 I don't think that he is, but even if he is near Hercules strength level, he is still much stronger than Zeus.
[b]On topic:
In a regular fist fight, without any other powers... Gladiator would actually win, because Zeus - just like Odin - is not the physically strongest of his race. They need to amp their physical attributes with magic.
In a fight, where Zeus is allowed to amp himself up with magic, the way he did against the Hulk - then yeah, Zeus absoultely rage-stomps.
His speed advantage wouldn't matter at that point.
Skyfathers can amp themselves up to a point, where they don't even register the damage output of high heralds anymore. [/B]
Do you care to actually prove anything? Or do you just want to make bigger posts than needed to spout off an opinion backed solely by handbooks?
On that note, I'd like to see you post a scan that even alludes to Zeus amping his strength.
Originally posted by Epicurus
My proof lies in the comicbook issues written by Jason Aaron. 'Nuff said.HoTM involves them destroying planet-sized objects as a side effect of their battle. Thor and Gorr shattering nearby worlds was a side effect of their battle. For someone who claims to be a real-life math teacher, you're having an awfully hard time computing what 2+2 equals to.
Prove that it was a good chunk and not a piece the size of a very small town.
A tiny crack in a moon.
"HoTM feat is vastly different.
1. Not only did it destroy the planet (and cracked the moon) but it disintegrated thousands of Savage Hulk peers (which collectively are vastly greater than a destroying a planet).
2. Thor used a tool that amps striking power greatly and not his fists.
3. Thor applied many many strikes in a prolong battle across space and Hulk did it in one blow.
4. Gorr was fighting as well but mostly doing stabbing strikes (which still do add to collateral since Thor is very durable).
Bottom line Thor's feat was impressive, but nowhere near Hulk's and certainly not proof that Thor can bust a planet with his own strength. "
Originally posted by Silent MasterIf they have shitty durability then Umar can one shot them and then they wouldn't be able to overwhelm her. Thus their durability have to be such to withstand a skyfather's power.
Offensive power and durability are two different things, so I'll ask again, what durability feats did the ones HoTM destroyed actually have?