Originally posted by h1a8
That's because that one person is smart. How would Zeus beat Glads if he is a statue?Only dummies look at strength and ignore everything else.
That's crazy. Skyfather's aren't stronger or faster than high heralds by default. We prove things using feats, not speculation. Zeus is vastly slower than Glads. Glads has at least a couple of feats of strength that is beyond anything Zeus has ever showed. So Glads can definitely affect Zeus with no question.
Hulks strength fts and speed fts are better than Zeus. How did he loose?
Originally posted by ShadowFyreWhat feats prove that Glads can't affect Zeus? Do you know Glads feats?
It is not just about Strength, it is about the fact that Zeus is above Gladiator in durability by such a wide margin that Gladiator can not even harm him. And if Zeus did amp, Gladiator, The Hulk and Hercules would all find out the difference between High Herald/low trans and an angered, one of the top of his tier Skyfather. While Thor sits back and remembers all the times Odin casually whipped the shit out of him.
Originally posted by ShadowFyreNot with strength he hasn't. Which is the point. And I don't know anyone in Marvel who can physically stop all of Glad's might with their pinky. That's utterly crazy.
And Thor has affected people who could stop Glads with a pinky. If you wanna go by who hurts and beats whos with Zeus using Gladiator be my guest. Make sure and use the "who did better against Thor? " debate as well. This cant end badly for Gladiators case.
Originally posted by carver9
What's Zeus best strength ft? What's Zeus best speed ft.?
Busting Hulk's ribs up something fierce.
Zeus has no combat speed feats and thus no superspeed. Neither does Hulk for the most part. Spider-man is much faster than Hulk in combat.
Originally posted by h1a8Busting Hulk's ribs up something fierce.
Zeus has no combat speed feats and thus no superspeed. Neither does Hulk for the most part. Spider-man is much faster than Hulk in combat.
LOL...again, what Zeus best strength ft?
LOL at Spiderman being faster than Hulk. In the past, an argument probably could have been made but not anymore. Dont even know why I am wasting my time debating with you.
it is pretty funny that anyone can take a stance that zeus is a statue to glads because the skyfather has no speed feats to combat said speed. the obvious counters have been made--can glads punch out lt who has no feat speed? eternity? someone lower? death was shattered by strange (to a degree) with something i doubt was planetary level. glads could demolish death? but that is only the beginning of the.....mind-boggling stance. where is the proof that glads can ko a skyfather level being? nowhere in any comic, that is for certain. so on the one hand, he doesn't need proof to support this 'logical conclusion', , but on the other, ZEUS needs the proof that he could combat glads? we never saw king thor use superspeed as a skyfather either, until when? oh yeah, until he actually FOUGHT a speedster--the god of speed iirc correctly. limiting a skyfather's senses to a 'normal' herald level character's senses is...ridiculous. beyond ridiculous. and of course, it should be illegal in the forum to even use the forum version of powersets, which is happening, repeatedly and blatantly. make no mistake--the argument being made is NOT the same as saying glads is "fighting to his best", it IS saying he is doing 3 things utterly and in all ways, out of character--hitting an opponent with planet-busting force, using beyond lightspeed WHILE hitting with planet-busting force (never done in combo, ever by glads) AND or course, beating anyone remotely CLOSE to a skyfather level being. the entire line of argumentation lacks even the most remote support in any book ever written and is more than a little insulting.
the entire argument is actually so asinine, that i am convinced pr or bada is only leaving this open as some form of payback to one of you. probably abhi or carver. sneer please, i'm begging someone, end this madness.
Originally posted by Branlor Swift
Has Gladiator even adequately blitzed anyone?Not that it has any merit considering everything else... but yeah.
Also, everyone should report h1 at the same time IMO
In War of Kings, he blitzed guardians of Galaxy + some X-men team. In the same saga, he blitzed members from Nova Corps (killing some of then).
Also,in a old FF four history ( black celestial saga), he fighted against Thor being in a bubble who made him much more slower ( normal people just froze).
Ignore Gladiator speed is PIS, imo.
That said, i cant see him blitzing a Skyfather. A Skyfather should have reflexes to at least react, if not faster.
Originally posted by eaebiakuya
In War of Kings, he blitzed guardians of Galaxy + some X-men team. In the same saga, he blitzed members from Nova Corps (killing some of then).Also,in a old FF four history ( black celestial saga), he fighted against Thor being in a bubble who made him much more slower ( normal people just froze).
Ignore Gladiator speed is PIS, imo.
That said, i cant see him blitzing a Skyfather. A Skyfather should have reflexes to at least react, if not faster.
He blitzed Sam, Cannonball as well. To the point Sam was questioning how Gladiator was so fast.
Originally posted by eaebiakuyaSo basically his only real speed feats in fights have been against vastly lesser opponents? And he also got stopped by Black Cloak when he went on his "blitz" spree...
In War of Kings, he blitzed guardians of Galaxy + some X-men team. In the same saga, he blitzed members from Nova Corps (killing some of then).Also,in a old FF four history ( black celestial saga), he fighted against Thor being in a bubble who made him much more slower ( normal people just froze).
Ignore Gladiator speed is PIS, imo.
That said, i cant see him blitzing a Skyfather. A Skyfather should have reflexes to at least react, if not faster.
Not canon to 616 Gladiator.
A Skyfather doesn't even need to react to someone like Gladiator though. All he does is run at people and try and punch. Hell, Masterson stopped his blitz attempt. Another blitz attempt couldn't even bust Sue's shields, and he was standing still just throwing a bunch of punches.
Basically, even if he's way faster, all Zeus has to do is swing at him.