Sebastian Shaw (movie) vs Thor (movie)

Originally posted by Mindset
Shaw can discharge ke, I wonder what would happen if he thunder clapped.

Not enough ki shown in the film to affect Thor way in the sky. Creating a Hurricane that was strong enough to lift the Destroyer and hold him there while Thor reflected enough force to explode the sky.
The Destroyer's helmet slowing unbuckled and the hurricane still held him there.

Thor's hurricanes as shown in the film are highly accurate and powerful.

Shaw had no speed feats though he could try running Thor will just move the hurricane. Shaw will run out of oxygen and collapse. Classic Thor. Go Avengers.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Did you read my post and understand it? It doesn't matter if you've had ONE plan.. it's a desperate plan none the less. Reason being Thor has NEVER done this in any comic, and ever worse, has never done so at the start of a fight. Do you see how you trying to make thor do things he's never tried.. not even once... just to have a chance to beat shaw.... means? Do you know what that looks like. It stinks of desperation because you need to come up with these crazy plans... just.. just to try and beat somebody who clearly has best chance of winning. The person you reward with a 6/10 is the person with the best chance of winning. That is Shaw. You don't come up with some out of character plan and go.. ooo yes... now he can win 10/10 since I found ONE way to beat Sahw that Thor has never shown. Doesn't work that way.

First, it was a tornado.

Second, it would be making him more powerful the entire time, possibly enough to dissipate it.

I just had a revelation...Thor is an arrogant bastard...

He'd probably just hit Shaw with enough force to knock him out which Shaw would absorb. Then it would just go down hill for Thor from there...stupid arrogant ass

Exactly.

Originally posted by Mindset
First, it was a tornado.

Second, it would be making him more powerful the entire time, possibly enough to dissipate it.

Cool tornado.
Thor doesn't need to use the tornado to alter Shaw in any way just keep in the center of it. If Shaw moves, Thor moves the tornado.
Shaw can release as much energy as he wants it will empty him.
And he needs to breathe.
I believe it's Thor's only chance besides Shaw needing sleep or food.
Otherwise they'll just stare at each other for ages.

Do you know how tornadoes work?

Originally posted by Mindset
Do you know how tornadoes work?

If Thor can't take away oxygen from a supernatural tornado then the fight ends as I stated above.
And Shaw can't dissipate a tornado that Thor can just keep recreating. He started to make as he flew.

Yo.

Originally posted by Mindset
No, it either wasn't active because Xavier had taken control over him, or it was pis. Moving something slow does not make its KE null. Even whenMags was slowly pushing the beam against Shaw it wasn't pushing him back.

it was active since Xavier said that he couldnt hold him for too long due to him being as powerful as he'd gotten.

a slow-moving object has a very small amount of KE to pass on, so apparently Shaws ability had a limit on the *small end* where it didnt register, or else we're looking at a man who gets powered up from his own heart beating & merely walking........

Originally posted by carver9
He absorbs all forms of kinetic energy... "ALL".

so when he shakes hands, he gets powered up from that? wat about bumpin' uglies w/Emma? Id think that ppl would notice their arms & hands (or other parts) going limp if this were true..............

but back to being semi-serious, THAT claim is pure speculation as well; this isnt the comic-version, so we really dont know.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
chocking would require some degree of force which he could probably absorb. drowning on the other hand should work. Thor doesn't even have to hold Shaw. He could just toss mjolnier at show and direct it to the bottom of the ocean.

but it would require physical force either way, and I dont think the exertion used to choke him would be enuff to "powaaah him up" unless his body amplifies it somehow...........

Tazer

So Xavier could only turn off his power momentarily. 🙂

Yo.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Coming up with abstract ideas that Thor has NEVER tried on panel and EVEN WORSE never tried right away (way out of character) proves who should win this fight. That is clearly shaw or a stalemate if Thor just says away

wat would it matter if he never tried it on-panel since we're discussing the movie versions of the characters??

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Tazer

dont forget that Shaw had already absorbed a whole lot of nuclear energy. if his powers were still active, magneto's power wouldnt be enough to push the coin through his head as shown as how Shaw casually dismissed everything magneto threw at him.

thing about the movie Thor is that, IMO, they accurately captured how he was in the comic...an arrogant bastard..

Yo.

ya know, I just now realized that alot of those ppl on that island (most especially Mags) shouldve died from acute rad-poisoning........but watever.

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Tazer

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
dont forget that Shaw had already absorbed a whole lot of nuclear energy. if his powers were still active, magneto's power wouldnt be enough to push the coin through his head as shown as how Shaw casually dismissed everything magneto threw at him.

thing about the movie Thor is that, IMO, they accurately captured how he was in the comic...an arrogant bastard..

He wasn't when he reobtained the hammer.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

ya know, I just now realized that alot of those ppl on that island (most especially Mags) shouldve died from acute rad-poisoning........but watever.

😉

Tazer

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

ya know, I just now realized that alot of those ppl on that island (most especially Mags) shouldve died from acute rad-poisoning........but watever.

😉

Tazer

now that you point that out......they should all be dead.

Yo.

Originally posted by Mindset
So Xavier could only turn off his power momentarily. 🙂

I dont think he could turn off any powers, given he had no real experience in doing so previously, nor did he state that he'd done so in the film that I can recall.......

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
dont forget that Shaw had already absorbed a whole lot of nuclear energy. if his powers were still active, magneto's power wouldnt be enough to push the coin through his head as shown as how Shaw casually dismissed everything magneto threw at him.

thing about the movie Thor is that, IMO, they accurately captured how he was in the comic...an arrogant bastard..

yes, but we have no idea *how much was left*, and it had to be enuff to keep the electronics working on the craft atleast.........

Tazer

Originally posted by the ninjak
He wasn't when he reobtained the hammer.

The movie had mistakes. Magneto could have just taken the helmet straight off. Xavier could have stopped Magneto from putting the helmet on. Radiation poisoning as you said.

Yeah, but his character still dictates that he wont go all out on his first strike. It has always been like that, in the comic, EMH animated series, even in the movie version.

its called MIS, Movie Induced Stupidity 😆

I'm done here, Shaw wins.

Anyone who disagrees is wrong.

Yo.

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Tazer

Originally posted by the ninjak
1. Interesting considering Magneto's power is based off mental states. But Shaw never brought it up. Bullets = Fast, Coin = Slow. Some mutants powers are always on full power others require mental aid.

2. If Shaw fell into water would he sink or walk on water? If he could control any kinetic contact around his body he should be able to walk through walls. But he can't. I say a hurricane will lift him up from underneath.

3. Thor had such an incredible control over tornadoes that he could lift the Destroyer.
And keep him in place while deflecting two blows.
Then proceeded to hold the Destroyer in place while he overloaded it with enough power to blast the sky. After which the armor slowly fell.
Physics says Thor has absolute control over the intensity and positioning of a Tornado. And if he wanted he could keep the epicenter on Shaw and suffocate him.

4. Going by your reasoning once Shaw loses his concentration Thor can just blast him.

I disagree with the logic that Shaw should be able to walk through walls. That would imply he can make his molecules squeeze thru the molecules of the wall. The conclusion doesn't follow from the premises (he can absorb outside moving energy).

Actually, at best it would be a stalemate as Shaw didn't show enough power output to ko Thor.