Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
he did, after absorbing some massive nuclear energy.now, i haven't been following the X-men for a very very long time...but wasn't Sebastian's powers just absorbing kinetic energy and turning it into physical strength/stats?
That's what I am saying... Thor choking him or trying to drown him should increase his PL. Thor shouldn't be holding him that long and would probably get over powered. Anything short of bfring isn't a good thing for Thor.
Yo.
Originally posted by carver9
That's what I am saying... Thor choking him or trying to drown him should increase his PL. Thor shouldn't be holding him that long and would probably get over powered. Anything short of bfring isn't a good thing for Thor.
I dont recall simply holding only Shaw in the comics increased his stores of KE (or even to any great amount), and I cant think of any reason to think it would happen here either.
Tazer
Originally posted by TazerNo, it either wasn't active because Xavier had taken control over him, or it was pis. Moving something slow does not make its KE null. Even whenMags was slowly pushing the beam against Shaw it wasn't pushing him back.
Yo.his power *was active* when he got killed; it was simply the WAY IN WHICH IT HAPPENED that made it effective.
Tazer
Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.I dont recall simply holding only Shaw in the comics increased his stores of KE (or even to any great amount), and I cant think of any reason to think it would happen here either.
Tazer
chocking would require some degree of force which he could probably absorb. drowning on the other hand should work. Thor doesn't even have to hold Shaw. He could just toss mjolnier at show and direct it to the bottom of the ocean.
Originally posted by Mindset
No, it either wasn't active because Xavier had taken control over him, or it was pis. Moving something slow does not make its KE null. Even whenMags was slowly pushing the beam against Shaw it wasn't pushing him back.
Exactly. Shaw can will his body against any force and absorb any friction created against himself.
Xavier stopping his mind stopped him from being able to do it. I wonder if he slept?
Originally posted by gogogadgetgoShaw was absorbing the entirety of a nuclear reactor, he was then going to act as a nuclear bomb. A hammer smash isn't putting him down, it's just going to increase his power.
I know, I get where you're coming from.But in Thor's movie, except from the destroyer armor, everything that Thor smacked with his hammer either died, crumpled or was destroyed.
Hence, my contention that, given Thor's strength and the power of mjolnier, IMO, it would be too much for Shaw to absorb.
Sure bullets and RPGs with out taking any damage, but Thor's hammer smash >>>>>> all of those bullets and RPG combined.
Anyway, I just rewatched both fights and I still think Thor would win. To each his own.
Why is it considered basic knowledge to THOR? To the Xmen sure... to Thor... why would that be?
Second, there is some DESPERATE reaching from people in the Thor camp. It stinks of desperation when you need to come up with all these ways to TRY to defeat a foe. Shaw doesn't NEED to try these abstracts plans and ideas to win. You guys on the other hand are having to come up with "drowning shaw" "placing thor hammer on his neck and holding him down" "choking Shaw" . It's severe grasping at straws because it's clear that Thor would most likely lose. Coming up with abstract ideas that Thor has NEVER tried on panel and EVEN WORSE never tried right away (way out of character) proves who should win this fight. That is clearly shaw or a stalemate if Thor just says away
Originally posted by Mindset
No, it either wasn't active because Xavier had taken control over him, or it was pis. Moving something slow does not make its KE null. Even whenMags was slowly pushing the beam against Shaw it wasn't pushing him back.
I thought magneto was pushing the coin very slowly to make it hurt like hell
Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
Why is it considered basic knowledge to THOR? To the Xmen sure... to Thor... why would that be?Second, there is some DESPERATE reaching from people in the Thor camp. It stinks of desperation when you need to come up with all these ways to TRY to defeat a foe. Shaw doesn't NEED to try these abstracts plans and ideas to win. You guys on the other hand are having to come up with "drowning shaw" "placing thor hammer on his neck and holding him down" "choking Shaw" . It's severe grasping at straws because it's clear that Thor would most likely lose. Coming up with abstract ideas that Thor has NEVER tried on panel and EVEN WORSE never tried right away (way out of character) proves who should win this fight. That is clearly shaw or a stalemate if Thor just says away
I've only had one plan the whole time. Suffocation through localized hurricane. It's the only thing that can really stop Shaw in this climate.
And Thor is completely capable of it.
Originally posted by Mindset
Shaw was absorbing the entirety of a nuclear reactor, he was then going to act as a nuclear bomb. A hammer smash isn't putting him down, it's just going to increase his power.
the point is, too strong/powerful, too fast.
he was absorbing the nuclear reactor real slow like. It wasnt like instant absorption.
The hammer smash would be very very fast and very very powerful. I dont think he would have the time to absorb it. before it increases his power, he'd be dead.
Originally posted by gogogadgetgoIt doesn't matter if it's fast or not, his body has the capacity to hold a nuclear reactors worth or energy, he was absorbing it slowly because a reactor doesn't release all of its energy in one moment like a nuclear bomb would.
the point is, too strong/powerful, too fast.he was absorbing the nuclear reactor real slow like. It wasnt like instant absorption.
The hammer smash would be very very fast and very very powerful. I dont think he would have the time to absorb it. before it increases his power, he'd be dead.
Originally posted by the ninjak
I've only had one plan the whole time. Suffocation through localized hurricane. It's the only thing that can really stop Shaw in this climate.
And Thor is completely capable of it.
Did you read my post and understand it? It doesn't matter if you've had ONE plan.. it's a desperate plan none the less. Reason being Thor has NEVER done this in any comic, and ever worse, has never done so at the start of a fight. Do you see how you trying to make thor do things he's never tried.. not even once... just to have a chance to beat shaw.... means? Do you know what that looks like. It stinks of desperation because you need to come up with these crazy plans... just.. just to try and beat somebody who clearly has best chance of winning. The person you reward with a 6/10 is the person with the best chance of winning. That is Shaw. You don't come up with some out of character plan and go.. ooo yes... now he can win 10/10 since I found ONE way to beat Sahw that Thor has never shown. Doesn't work that way.
Originally posted by Mindset
It doesn't matter if it's fast or not, his body has the capacity to hold a nuclear reactors worth or energy, he was absorbing it slowly because a reactor doesn't release all of its energy in one moment like a nuclear bomb would.
If Shaw started with a nuclear reactor's worth of energy, then sure, He'd wtf beat Thor.
But at base levels, I still think Thor would win. Like I said, to each his own.
edit: unless of course if they wtf make Thor a weak ass in the avengers movie...