Sebastian Shaw (movie) vs Thor (movie)

Originally posted by Mindset
No, it's not. Because he absorbed bullets instantly. Physical attacks didn't hurt him, it just took more time for him to absorb and use as his own energy. What you are trying to say doesn't make sense, because what your saying is an explosion would be hurting him because he didn't show to absorb it all instantly, that is not the case.

in the movie, it would seem that he had to contain energy, which he would then absorb.

are you implying that bullets = a mjolnier hammer toss? I hope not.

it was clearly show that he can contain energy, and he can absorb bullets, but a hammer toss from thor is a different thing altogether.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
This is movie Shaw. And he displayed super strength after absorbing Havoks energy plus he may have displayed more of it when he entered the Pentagon at the doors. I can't remember. Anyway, people couldn't touch Shaw without him absorbing and re-directing the energy back at them how is Movie Thor going to touch him?

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
Also funny enough Shaw displayed better speed feats then Thor in the movie. You can see that from the effect when he uses his powers his hands move really fast to contain all the energy emitted from the grenade and absorb all the energy from the shrapnel too.

Nah that effect Sabastion had when absorbing energy was just a special effect that made his head wobble around. Like the invisible goth kid in Misfits whenever he goes invisible. It is not a speed feat, Shaw never displayed enhanced speed. It was just a reaction to the absorbtion process.

Originally posted by ExodusCloak
This is movie Shaw. And he displayed super strength after absorbing Havoks energy plus he may have displayed more of it when he entered the Pentagon at the doors. I can't remember. Anyway, people couldn't touch Shaw without him absorbing and re-directing the energy back at them how is Movie Thor going to touch him?

Also funny enough Shaw displayed better speed feats then Thor in the movie. You can see that from the effect when he uses his powers his hands move really fast to contain all the energy emitted from the grenade and absorb all the energy from the shrapnel too.

Comic book Shaw amped all his stats, speed, durability and physical strength. But movie Shaw's powers are more sensitive and much broader.

Thanks. I thought I was going looney. While watching, i kept going, "no way! could he do that? i dint he just get stronger?"

Well, to be fair, Thor did have 2 impressive speed feat. thought, both involved flight. the fist was when he busted a hole through he frost beast, and the second was when he just wen flying up and created the tornado thing.

Thor was more "accurately" portrayed and translated in the Movie, while Shaw didn't seem like Shaw anymore.

on a side note, i wish they'd have used the original X-men instead..

Originally posted by the ninjak
Shaw displayed no strength feats besides picking that soldier into the sky which isn't really a strength feat more his power. He can move his body anywhere he wants because his particles will always kinetically negate the force applied against it.
When he simply moved his hands into the metal Magneto was desperately trying to push into him he simply placed his hand forward and walked. An insane power that defies physics completely. If it was strength alone the soles of his shoes would have slipped and the ground beneath him would've buckled but it didn't.

Nah that effect Sabastion had when absorbing energy was just a special effect that made his head wobble around. Like the invisible goth kid in Misfits whenever he goes invisible. It is not a speed feat, Shaw never displayed enhanced speed. It was just a reaction to the absorbtion process.

actually, i think he did show super strength when he was pushing the i-beam that magneto was trying to push towards him. at first it looked like the debris were being repelled by some kinda force. but then he used his hand to push the i-beam at magneto

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
in the movie, it would seem that he had to contain energy, which he would then absorb.

are you implying that bullets = a mjolnier hammer toss? I hope not.

it was clearly show that he can contain energy, and he can absorb bullets, but a hammer toss from thor is a different thing altogether.

Originally posted by Mindset
He wasn't hurt in the movie while his powers were active.

Just larger amounts of energy made him shake longer, iirc, so the assumption is it took more time to absorb, but it's irrelevant because he was never hurt while he was in the process of absorbing energy.

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo
actually, i think he did show super strength when he was pushing the i-beam that magneto was trying to push towards him. at first it looked like the debris were being repelled by some kinda force. but then he used his hand to push the i-beam at magneto

They way he put his hand out and moved the beam forward like he was opening a well oiled door. It was more than strength it was his power. Not only does he absorb kinetic energy like a battery. His body can move forward and any force that tries to apply against him he just moves back.
Which is why the coin trick was so odd. My thought is as long as Shaw wills his body against a force that structure will simply move back.
The coin must have worked because Xavier took away Shaw's ability to defy the coin.

Yo.

Originally posted by Mindset
It's out of character to immediately start like that.

given that we've only got the 1 movie to go by, it could be argued *either way* really........

Originally posted by Mindset
And Shaw always had kinetic energy stored, that's how he stayed young, and he could gain more by hitting himself against Thor or the ground. It's impossible for Thor to keep Shaw from gaining energy.

there was no explanation for how much KE he needed/used to keep his youthfulness up, so any attempt to do so is unfounded speculation.

he might need only a slap to face a few times, OR he might need to be dropped from a 100ft height; nobody here can say. but to claim he has enuff stored to knock Thor away if he tried to choke him w/o being hit is simply not (by movie-exhibition) demonstrably factual.

Originally posted by Mindset
A chokehold is not going to work on Shaw.

U have no proof of that it wouldnt, and theres nothing we saw in-movie which says it cant.

Tazer

I think they just needed a plot device.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

given that we've only got the 1 movie to go by, it could be argued *either way* really........

there was no explanation for how much KE he needed/used to keep his youthfulness up, so any attempt to do so is unfounded speculation.

he might need only a slap to face a few times, OR he might need to be dropped from a 100ft height; nobody here can say. but to claim he has enuff stored to knock Thor away if he tried to choke him w/o being hit is simply not (by movie-exhibition) demonstrably factual.

U have no proof of that it wouldnt, and theres nothing we saw in-movie which says it cant.

Tazer

The point was he already has some energy stored, and he can easily add more. Enough to at least loosen Thor's hold on him.

Everything we saw in the movie from Shaw suggests that.

Would Shaw being able to absorb energy count as basic knowledge?

Originally posted by gogogadgetgo

on a side note, i wish they'd have used the original X-men instead..

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unfortunately they were insistent on keeping to the continuity of the movies. (well Bryan Singer's movies anyway).

Yo.

Originally posted by Mindset
He wasn't hurt in the movie while his powers were active.

his power *was active* when he got killed; it was simply the WAY IN WHICH IT HAPPENED that made it effective.

Tazer

Originally posted by Mindset
Read this gogo.

I know, I get where you're coming from.

But in Thor's movie, except from the destroyer armor, everything that Thor smacked with his hammer either died, crumpled or was destroyed.

Hence, my contention that, given Thor's strength and the power of mjolnier, IMO, it would be too much for Shaw to absorb.

Sure bullets and RPGs with out taking any damage, but Thor's hammer smash >>>>>> all of those bullets and RPG combined.

Anyway, I just rewatched both fights and I still think Thor would win. To each his own.

Yo.

Originally posted by Mindset
And the one movie showed he hit first and thought later.

The point was he already has some energy stored, and he can easily add more. Enough to at least loosen Thor's hold on him.

Everything we saw in the movie from Shaw suggests that.

against FGs and security personnel; Shaw doesnt look like *either*, and more importantly he knows wat he can do, so why would he "feed him" like that?

yes, but the more accurate point is: how much more does he have stored, and how much more would he have to add to repel Thor grabbing him? neither R questions that any1 here has the answer to.

no, really it doesnt.

Tazer

Yo.

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
unfortunately they were insistent on keeping to the continuity of the movies. (well Bryan Singer's movies anyway).

and they didnt even do that really........... 😉

Tazer

Originally posted by DARTH POWER
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unfortunately they were insistent on keeping to the continuity of the movies. (well Bryan Singer's movies anyway).

the first three movies (4 if you count wolverine) sucked balls! I was like "YEAH CYCLOPS AND COLOSSUS", then I went "WTF!!!"

A re-boot with the original 5 would have been sweet

Why are people arguing about a chock hold?

Why would Thor do that? He'd go in swinging his hammer not going for the neck.

Anyway, IMO, a chock hold would equal to a loss for Thor. Chocking someone would take time,l and that time would be used by Shaw to absorb The force being exerted by Thor.

Unless of course if Thor snaps Shaw's neck for the instant death. That could probably work.

Originally posted by Tazer
Yo.

and they didnt even do that really........... 😉

Tazer

yeah, seeing as Mystique and Prof X were childhood friends, why the hell would she put poison to kill him. continuity my ass...

Unless of course Shaw's ability to absorb force/energy is considered basic knowledge...something I didn't think of until recently.