Originally posted by NewjakDoing good. Just trying to work, be at the gym and have a social life. How about you?
Thank you Bada 😛How have you been man?
And not to keep off topic, I have high hopes for the Avengers movie. Thor did better than it thought. We'll have to see how Cap does. But I think the next Batman will be a blockbuster.
Originally posted by BadabingI'm getting ready to start a new job in Columbus Oh. That has me excited.
Doing good. Just trying to work, be at the gym and have a social life. How about you?And not to keep off topic, I have high hopes for the Avengers movie. Thor did better than it thought. We'll have to see how Cap does. But I think the next Batman will be a blockbuster.
As for the topic 😛
I hope the new Batman is really really awesome cause bane is a personal favorite of mine.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lord of the Rings and Star Wars are set in far off fantasy worlds. The normal rules are all out the window when that happens.
LMAO, and the comic book universe isn't? This is an Avengers universe, not an Iron Man universe featuring other heroes.
And yes I do think "having different backgrounds" like you put it will effect the way people see it. If you dnt understand its the background of a character that makes a good film, then you dnt understand what a good film is.You cant just put random superheros together and expect it to work.
Luckily for Marvel, the house of ideas put the top four heroes in their own movies before putting this movie out. This is on top of the number of books, tv series, old movies, and cartoons. That's why they pushed Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes out. The only people who don't haven't been explored in movies are Fury (if you disregarded the 90s flick), Widow, and Hawkeye who don't really have powers to begin with. So this difference in background isn't much, especially for three people who's background can be covered in a few flash backs.
You can. The scene when he comes in shooting looks so stupid. Dnt expect a massive hit. Theres no real hype or eagerness for a Captain America movie.
Oh please, how is that stupid other than your opinion? What made it stupid? You mean Cap busting through along with what is the Howling Commandos at his side? If anything, that scene just stokes fans of recent Secret Warriors. And I'm not worried, you'll be eating those words.
Are you kidding me? Cage, Norton and Tyler are HUGE stars, much bigger than anyone in The Avengers movie.
LMAO, in the 90s for Cage and Tyler maybe. Norton isn't a huge star; he's an awesome actor for sure but not he doesn't have the star power comparable to Downey or Jackson. Maybe if Ghost Rider appeared in the 90s would Cage's star power brought in the audience but he was already washed up when he starred in GR so bringing it up as a point against Downey and Jackson's star power is moot.
Stars just help with the advertising, they dnt sell the movie itself.Look how many stars were in Oceans 12 and Oceans 13. By your theory they should have been the biggest movies of all time.
LMAO. Oceans 12 stars were playing super heroes and cartering to the kids and young adults crowd? I'm confused I think you missed where I said the star power and characters of this movie is going to bring in the numbers. It's a superheroes genre, basically action & sci-fi, so it's going to perform better than Oceans 12.
But I agree with you that Iron Man made it big due to Downey. But not because he's some big A-Lister star. It was because of his ACTING in the movie. And the Dircetor did a really good job, and it had a damn good story and character build up. Thats what makes a good movie, and helps make a box office success.
Where did I say it's solely based on star power? You're funny.
Theres no way its gna beat TDKR unless by some shock TDKR turns out to be awful.
Really? So how come Batman Begin did so shitty compared to say Iron Man and say Thor? Nolan has proven to be a great director but there's no good villain in TDKR. What have have is Ra's Al Ghul from BB and how well did he sell? Now you've got Catwoman and Bane. None of them are comparable to Joker and we'll have to see if any of their acting is even close to Health Ledger's Joker. It's going to have to be damn good in terms of story for it come be like TDK. So yeah, the Avengers to can take them if they had a solid story as well. It's not going to be as good as Nolan that's for sure but they have a better group of characters to work with.
Seriously your expectations are too high for Avengers. Star Power and special effects aint gna do it. Like Downey himself said this is a seriously ambitious project. Why's he saying that? Because its actually a big risk, which could easily go either way. Flop or Hit. But certainly not a guaranteed Hit.
Of course it's not a guarantee hit but if they do it right then yeah they can pull off big numbers.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Really? So how come Batman Begin did so shitty compared to say Iron Man and say Thor?
Because Batman Begins was the first Batman film after the shitty Batman & Robin.
But the quality movie Batman Begins was (far superior to Iron Man or Thor) helped set up the success of TDK.
Originally posted by WhiteWitchKingWhere did I say it's solely based on star power? You're funny.
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Originally posted by WhiteWitchKing
Downey and IM's special effects is what brought in the numbers.
Ok you put in special effects as well. LOL..
Oh and your friggin hilarious thinking Robert Downey is a bigger star than Edward Norton or Nicholas friggin Cage LOL LOL.. He's only big and in the spot light a bit nowdays because of his success in Iron man, that fact alone aint gna make Avengers even close to TDKR.
Even the way its going to effect that town's economy by offering more jobs shows how big this movie is gonna be.
http://comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=41282
Originally posted by DARTH POWERSomeone should take you and your fanboy logic, toss you in a magic lamp and bury you away for thousands of years. Then, no one will be smart enough or remember enough upon your discovery to know that you are horribly, terribly wrong.
Because Batman Begins was the first Batman film after the shitty Batman & Robin.But the quality movie Batman Begins was (far superior to Iron Man or Thor) helped set up the success of TDK.
Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Because Batman Begins was the first Batman film after the shitty Batman & Robin.But the quality movie Batman Begins was (far superior to Iron Man or Thor) helped set up the success of TDK.
I like how you can't say Begins was great on its own without referencing the previous franchise... says a lot really. And to add to that Nolan really hasn't done anything different from the previous franchise except put it across in a more serious (dare I say, boring?) way. He still puts Batman in heavy rubber, has the love interest/villains be the focal point of the movie, has his Batman be reckless with killing and not saving people, reveals Batman's identity (to said girlfriends) and other characters etc.
As for Begins being better than Iron Man - as a character study - yes. But as a movie it isn't because Iron Man has better pacing, dialogue , action and the humour (in the first IM at least) doesn't seem forced while in Begins it is very forced and sort of uncomfortable at times.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/MarvelFreshman/news/?a=42030
Forget Dark Knight, i think Avengers will do better than Harry Potter!
I hope the Avengers is good. What a let down it would be if it sucks after all these other movies that build up to it. And it has a chance to make tons of money since it will draw in those that liked the Iron Man movies, those who liked Thor, those who like Capt. America, etc. Sequels often make tons of movies even if they are crap just because of the reputation of the previous movie. This is going off the reputation of many movies that were successful. I don't think we have ever seen anything put together like this in the film industry.
That said, I still think Dark Knight Rises will be better than the Avengers.
Originally posted by CPT Space Bomb
Someone should take you and your fanboy logic, toss you in a magic lamp and bury you away for thousands of years. Then, no one will be smart enough or remember enough upon your discovery to know that you are horribly, terribly wrong.
Fanboy Logic saying Batman begins was better than Iron Man and Thor? Lol.. I think its quite obvious who the fanboy is here..
Batman Begins is the movie that set up The Dark Knight..
Hey guess what most people say the best Pirates of The Carribean movie was? Any guesses? The first one! Curse of the Black Pearl! And yet its the only POTC movie not to make approx a billion!
Guess which Transformers movie most people think was the best? Any guesses? The First one! And yet the sequels have done better!
Guess which Iron Man movie people think is by far the best?? Any guesses?? Yes thats right the First one! And yet the sequel was more successful at the box office.
Do you know why?? Well let me explain it to you. The Original movies in all those above franchises that Iv mentioned we're so well recieved by people, that it set up the hype, excitement and anticipation for the sequels.
There you see you learn something new every day : )
Dnt let your Marvel fanboyism effect your intellect. Batman Begins was a classic. In the top 5 Superhero movies of all time. Dnt get me wrong though, Iron Man is close. Thor? Top 10 at best.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
I like how you can't say Begins was great on its own without referencing the previous franchise... says a lot really.
Lol! Its true. Do you not know how these things work? Incredible Hulk with Edward Norton was a damn good movie, but it Flopped? Why? Because it followed the terrible Ang Lee movie. Thats just how these things work.
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
And to add to that Nolan really hasn't done anything different from the previous franchise except put it across in a more serious (dare I say, boring?) way. He still puts Batman in heavy rubber, has the love interest/villains be the focal point of the movie, has his Batman be reckless with killing and not saving people, reveals Batman's identity (to said girlfriends) and other characters etc.
Oh yeah all Nolan did was create the biggest superhero franchise of all time! Nothing that creative! LOL
Originally posted by Lord Shadow Z
As for Begins being better than Iron Man - as a character study - yes. But as a movie it isn't because Iron Man has better pacing, dialogue , action and the humour (in the first IM at least) doesn't seem forced while in Begins it is very forced and sort of uncomfortable at times.
Thats just your opinion, and a very subjective one at that.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansites/JakeLester/news/?a=42060
I have to admit the trailer was cool. Guess the competition continues...
[QUOTE=13461341]Originally posted by DARTH POWER
Lol! Its true. Do you not know how these things work? Incredible Hulk with Edward Norton was a damn good movie, but it Flopped? Why? Because it followed the terrible Ang Lee movie. Thats just how these things work.
Oh yeah all Nolan did was create the biggest superhero franchise of all time! Nothing that creative! LOL
Thats just your opinion, and a very subjective one at that. [/QUOTE
1. Then that doesn't say anything positive about the movie if its only liked because its different to a previous interpretation. That gives it no basis to be successful on its own two feet. I would say Hulk 'flopped' because superheroes with transformations (like Hulk) are confusing to make work on film. Do we give Hulk more time or Banner? Look at Fantastic Four, they had to make up excuses to allow Mike Chiklis to act as himself for a bit.
2. By using all the elements I mentioned from the previous franchise. Nothing original to his own interpretation except how he fleshed his particular path to the story but the components remained the same. From the TDK trailer alone you can see he blatantly copies a sequence from '89. That doesn't make him creative at all, especially as we know his policy of dumbing down the fantastical elements of Batman.
3. Of course, I meant to word it more like an opinion.