Originally posted by Parmaniac
If I would go Carver on the Wolverine front I would use this as evidence that Spider-man completely "blitz-dominates" him.Could you give me the issue numbers to all the other feats? Would appriciate it.
i got these scans from Project Fanboy
http://forums.projectfanboy.com/showthread.php?7974-Spider-Man-Respect-Thread
It's where i go when i need a scan i can not find or post myself.
Originally posted by BlackZero30xIsn't taht the thread Dark Crawler made once?
i got these scans from Project Fanboyhttp://forums.projectfanboy.com/showthread.php?7974-Spider-Man-Respect-Thread
It's where i go when i need a scan i can not find or post myself.
Originally posted by Starscream MHe has trees and other high places.
he doesn't have that environment here...ie high buildingalso, not sure it was an indication of reflexes...wasn't logan taken by surprise?
He was right in his face. Seeing that people say he's a "trained fighter" and "faster" than Spider-Man, it should be no problem for him.
Originally posted by SamZEDSpider-Man is more built to take on teams though, he has consistently done better against multiple people by dodging and confusing them. Also he makes them work against each other.
Characters tend to do better against teams than when they're fighting 1 on 1. The graveyard fight imo portrayed their abilities pretty accurately. Especially Logan's durability and Parker's speed.
The graveyard fight was ok, but him doubting his speed and not even breaking that stone with his "hardest hits" was silly.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWMe? Doesn't make me any difference. Your side is the one talking about it. Just entertainment to me folks.
Oh not that... I've read it and it got released, what, seven months ago? It's just that I'm not allowing you to speak of that... particular incident 😠I mean, it's worse than Secret Wars. What if somebody like C-Master saw it? Have mercy.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He's also wailed on him with effect and tossed him out of a window.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
He has trees and other high places.He was right in his face. Seeing that people say he's a "trained fighter" and "faster" than Spider-Man, it should be no problem for him.
WHo said he was faster then Spiderman?
also why do you say peope say wolverine a "trained fighter", as if it not true? The way you word it, implies your not sold on the notion.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
When did he wail on him with effect? In Marvel Knights wolverine pretty much called him a whine ***** while taking Spiderman onslaught. Also what does throwing Wolverine out a window matter? when wolverine was completely fine?
his point (i think) is that spider-man throwing him out of a window would indicate that Peter has the speed and/or reflexes to get the jump on logan. Someone who has shown faster then sight reflexes to get just tossed out the window like that would be able to counter an attack like that unless the person doing the throwing was faster. I mean logan was looking right at pete. it's not like he had his back turned to him.
as for marvel knights everyone(even you a wolverine supporter)should be able to see that spidy was NOT fighting to his best in that fight. For goodness sakes if he fought like that against over half of his villains he would get beaten every time. Peter was blinded with rage and i HOPE we all can agree a lot of spider-mans fighting comes from his ability to think a head which was hindered in this particular incident.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
his point (i think) is that spider-man throwing him out of a window would indicate that Peter has the speed and/or reflexes to get the jump on logan.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Someone who has shown faster then sight reflexes to get just tossed out the window like that would be able to counter an attack like that unless the person doing the throwing was faster.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I mean logan was looking right at pete. it's not like he had his back turned to him.
You also realise Wolverine done worse to spiderman, like when Spiderman attempted to grab Wolverine and he spung around an slammed him into a tree before spiderman could react.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
as for marvel knights everyone(even you a wolverine supporter)should be able to see that spidy was NOT fighting to his best in that fight. For goodness sakes if he fought like that against over half of his villains he would get beaten every time. Peter was blinded with rage and i HOPE we all can agree a lot of spider-mans fighting comes from his ability to think a head which was hindered in this particular incident.
Please don't talk to me about even anything when your trying to pass a non fight off as evidence of spiderman superior speed when it was far from it.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Duganyes I concede your point a slower person could have done that but are you going to tell me wolverine can't counter surprise attacks? OR that he never has?
In a fight? How could one come to such a conclusion based off that incident?No, he need to be around the same speed. Even a slower person could accomplish sucha feat against a talking unsuspecting opponent.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganNo he was being cocky imo because he knew peter was pissed and he kept on "poking" him so to speak.
Yes and? He also had his hands to his side and was talking, to an ally in an allies base. Your serously trying to over play what happen.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
You also realise Wolverine done worse to spiderman, like when Spiderman attempted to grab Wolverine and he spung around an slammed him into a tree before spiderman could react.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganI think so Marvel Knight #13? The one where peter was mad at logan already for "hitting on" mary jane? That's the one i was speaking of.
Do you even know what incident I am refferring to? What does spiderman fighting his foes, have anythign to do with Wolverine shrugging off his best shots?
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganId love not to talk to you but your just a great sweet talker...i have to keep coming back for more 😉 haha! seriously though this takes me back to the question above.
Please don't talk to me about even anything when your trying to pass a non fight off as evidence of spiderman superior speed when it was far from it.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
his point (i think) is that spider-man throwing him out of a window would indicate that Peter has the speed and/or reflexes to get the jump on logan. Someone who has shown faster then sight reflexes to get just tossed out the window like that would be able to counter an attack like that unless the person doing the throwing was faster. I mean logan was looking right at pete. it's not like he had his back turned to him.as for marvel knights everyone(even you a wolverine supporter)should be able to see that spidy was NOT fighting to his best in that fight. For goodness sakes if he fought like that against over half of his villains he would get beaten every time. Peter was blinded with rage and i HOPE we all can agree a lot of spider-mans fighting comes from his ability to think a head which was hindered in this particular incident.
You are contradicting yourself. You are saying that Wolverine should have been fast enough to dodge Spiderman befor getting tossed out of the window (during a none fight scenerio).
With that said, why wasn't Spiderman fast enough to dodge, Wolverine claw swipe during Marvel Knights #13? You said that if the person is fast enough, he should be able to counter attack before getting hit. Spiderman was looking right at Wolverine before getting stabbed just like Wolvy was looking right at Spiderman before getting tossed out the window.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
yes I concede your point a slower person could have done that but are you going to tell me wolverine can't counter surprise attacks? OR that he never has?
Yes and? How is that irrelevent to ally in ally base randomly attacking him based off a joke with his guard down? Have you even read the issue in question? In the next pannel wolverine walks by the window and says "no one can take a joke".
He clearly did no expect spiderman to grab him and throw him out a window.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
No he was being cocky imo because he knew peter was pissed and he kept on "poking" him so to speak.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
and when did i ever state the match wouldn't be close? I never said it would be a stomp.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
I think so Marvel Knight #13? The one where peter was mad at logan already for "hitting on" mary jane? That's the one i was speaking of.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
Id love not to talk to you but your just a great sweet talker...i have to keep coming back for more 😉 haha! seriously though this takes me back to the question above.
Originally posted by carver9
You are contradicting yourself. You are saying that Wolverine should have been fast enough to dodge Spiderman befor getting tossed out of the window (during a none fight scenerio).With that said, why wasn't Spiderman fast enough to dodge, Wolverine claw swipe during Marvel Knights #13? You said that if the person is fast enough, he should be able to counter attack before getting hit. Spiderman was looking right at Wolverine before getting stabbed just like Wolvy was looking right at Spiderman before getting tossed out the window.
You know carver I love you man! lol
I thought i stated clearly that spider-man was not fighting near the best of his ability in that fight? if that can't be seen by the wolvie side then this argument is gonna become another hulk vs superman....
Point is im not saying they arn't closely matched im saying spider-man would win especially in this particular situation
Originally posted by SamZED
Both incidents arent the best examples to argue speed imo.
Honestly think there a huge difference between a sparing match and the window incident. At least in the sparing match your fighting. WIndow incident was one guy flipping out and attacking unprepared opponent. Window incident is much more akin to the woods incident when Wolverine slammed Spiderman into the tree during the wendigo arc in my opinion.
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Me? Doesn't make me any difference. Your side is the one talking about it. Just entertainment to me folks.
You do love referencing SW a lot though, don't you? Don't tell me you didn't enjoy that little scene from Astonishing mini... uhuh
Originally posted by SamZED
Both incidents arent the best examples to argue speed imo.
Wolverine one is, because Spidey was actually trying to evade him then.
Just because it was a sparring doesn't mean he was holding back his "dodging ability", for God's sake.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
[B]You know carver I love you man! lolI thought i stated clearly that spider-man was not fighting near the best of his ability in that fight? if that can't be seen by the wolvie side then this argument is gonna become another hulk vs superman....
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Originally posted by BlackZero30x
You know carver I love you man! lolI thought i stated clearly that spider-man was not fighting near the best of his ability in that fight? if that can't be seen by the wolvie side then this argument is gonna become another hulk vs superman....
Point is im not saying they arn't closely matched im saying spider-man would win especially in this particular situation
I love you too man (no homo... f***, I take it back, it is homo).
So Wolverine was fighting serious when he was tossed out the window huh? He basically went berserk on Spiderman. 😕