Spiderman (no webbing) vs. Logan (no claws)

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
becuase the circumstances were completely different. Honestly do you read your arguements?

Again how much do you think 300 pounds is to spiderman? Hell 300 pounds is lighter to spiderman then a piece of trash is to you, which is what I don't think your grasping.

you just love grasping at straws don't you?

No it taken with a grian of salt, becuase it foolish arguement based on circumstances. Wolverine did not expect his teammate to randomly attack him, fact.

yes which has nothing to do with speed, but strength, which is completely irrelevent to are debate.

Honestly read your arguements, your contradict yourself.

i have made one solid argument the entire time i have been debating with you and it was merely the amount of effort spider-man put in to that "throw" so how am i contradicting myself? Effort is kind of a universal word. It doesn't always mean the amount of force put into it. Effort would be the combination of the amount of strength, amount of thought, and/or actually trying to throw someone out a window. and the scene simply made it seem like pete walked by and pushed him with one arm. Indicating not only not trying or not putting much strength into it but piratically no thought. Meaning no effort.

if you mean where i said "Im not saying pete wasn't thinking about it but the way it was portrayed was as just that. when i read that it came off to me like pete put little to no effort into that attack." That was me stating this was my opinion of the whole incident. I thought that was clear. if not then my bad.

but if you want i can take a minute gather my thoughts and re-state everything in a more clarifying way?

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
i have made one solid argument the entire time i have been debating with you and it was merely the amount of effort spider-man put in to that "throw" so how am i contradicting myself? Effort is kind of a universal word. It doesn't always mean the amount of force put into it. Effort would be the combination of the amount of strength, amount of thought, and/or actually trying to throw someone out a window. and the scene simply made it seem like pete walked by and pushed him with one arm. Indicating not only not trying or not putting much strength into it but piratically no thought. Meaning no effort.

you seem to have very skewed views when it comes to spiderman

Originally posted by BlackZero30x

if you mean where i said "Im not saying pete wasn't thinking about it but the way it was portrayed was as just that. when i read that it came off to me like pete put little to no effort into that attack." That was me stating this was my opinion of the whole incident. I thought that was clear. if not then my bad.

Originally posted by BlackZero30x

but if you want i can take a minute gather my thoughts and re-state everything in a more clarifying way?

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
No it dident. Your just adding your on context. It happen completely off pannel. The fact he walk away after wards, some how calculates to him causual doing it now?

you seem to have very skewed views when it comes to spiderman

Your opinion seem very bias to me. Your trying to make a non fight into a statement for spidermans speed, when it nopt at all.

I don't care, I think your arguement is reiduclous and based off bias wishful thinking.

ok well i understand your argument style now. you will split up a paragraph and argue it in your way. making points or allowing you to argue against something out of context anyways. i have stated how many times already it was done off panel? so next time tell me something i don't know. Next I have stated that this INCIDENT from my view point seemed as if spider-man put very little effort into it. Finally i even said this evidence could be taken with a grain of salt....so how is this me "trying to make a non fight into a statement for spidermans speed"???

Originally posted by BlackZero30x
ok well i understand your argument style now. you will split up a paragraph and argue it in your way. making points or allowing you to argue against something out of context anyways. i have stated how many times already it was done off panel? so next time tell me something i don't know. Next I have stated that this INCIDENT from my view point seemed as if spider-man put very little effort into it. Finally i even said this evidence could be taken with a grain of salt....so how is this me "trying to make a non fight into a statement for spidermans speed"???

Originally posted by StiltmanFTW
You realize that an accidental move of his hand can kill someone like Spidey, right? So he has to be cautious all the time, even during a freakin sparring session 😬

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Pushing someone buttons does not make you prepared to be attacked. Spiderman constantly pushes button, but does not think he team jsut going to assault him. Think that quite a stretch to say Wolverien thought Spiderman the constantly pushing bottuns would flip out if someone else turn the tables. If Wolverine thought spiderman would attakc him why would he have his hands on his hips, talking, and then state "no one can take a joke"

There is huge leaps and bounds between the window incident and the sparing match, and I not even sure how one could debate that.

Also through out that entire arc, it was spiderman talking shit to wolverine, not the other way around. That was pretty much the only thing wolverine said to spiderman.

There is, but there's a much bigger gap between a sparring match and a real fight. Imo making conclusions about speed based on that is not much better than using that very windw incident as an argument.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
honestly why do you even bother posting? most of your post are retard nonsense .

You do realise they have no been on genius. honestly the way you jump to conclusion base off the most miniscule crap is astounding.

That's Irony at its finest coming from you.. the whole.. "why do you bother posting.. most of your post are retard nonsense" However, I would add.. taking scans out of context while keeping wolverine's nuts in your mouth...

Gamora still owns Wolverine by being better in every area.. sorry bud.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
So why ar eyou even arguing with me if you admitt it not evidence?

because my originating post was me replying what i thought C-Master was meaning. after that you asked what i meant or said you didn't understand or something like that so i explained the argument. if i was going to argue a point with you in this fight it would be spider-man wining via strength by way of subduing him and the like.

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
That's Irony at its finest coming from you.. the whole.. "why do you bother posting.. most of your post are retard nonsense" However, I would add.. taking scans out of context while keeping wolverine's nuts in your mouth...

Gamora still owns Wolverine by being better in every area.. sorry bud.

yes and? what was the point of saying this? seems odd, like your mixing me up with someone else.

I'm not talking about in this thread.. I'm talking about past threads where you have done just that.

You feel like Gamora beats Wolverine?

Originally posted by KuRuPT Thanosi
I'm not talking about in this thread.. I'm talking about past threads where you have done just that.

You feel like Gamora beats Wolverine?

yes. clearly you have me screwed up with someone else

Originally posted by SamZED
And Wolverine is so accurate with his claws he can perform bar mitzvah on a fly if he wanted to and Spider-man knows that. AND he believed Logan would never go for the stab, hence no need to worry about it.

What SM does, I wouldnt call it pushing someone's buttons, he jokes most of the time and chooses childish subjects like weight, looks etc and nobody on the team takes that seriously anyway. While Logan picked a very ticklish subject. He was dissing Pete's wife and their relationship. Its way diferent from making "fat jokes". I dont thing he knew Spider-man is gonna try to toss him out of the window but i do believe he expected some kind of agressive reaction, maybe an attack even. You can feel the tension on that page even. I just dont believe Logan thought Pete is just gonna walk away after that. Holding his hands that way is just a way of saying "So? what are you gonna do about it?". Ofcourse he wouldnt stand there with his claws poped ready for a fight. That'd make him look paranoid.

There is, but there's a much bigger gap between a sparring match and a real fight. Imo making conclusions about speed based on that is not much better than using that very windw incident as an argument.

No really, not in terms of speed it not. It much larger gap between a person cheap shotting an ally and a fight, then a sparring match and a real fight. Also the whole point of sparring is to improve reaction time, speed and put skill into action.

Though there is a difference between sparing match and a fight, it not nearly as large as what happen in the window incident. That should be quite easy to see.

dum dum, are you arguing logan wins?

Originally posted by Starscream M
dum dum, are you arguing logan wins?

also argueing that window feat is not remotely comparable to the sparing match (though I agree that also not a good indicator of how a fight would go).

Honestly more annoyed at the fact that window incidents brought up by spiderman supports quite a bit over the years and yet "wolverine fans are the worst" despite the fact we never try passing such incident like that as evidence, such as when Wolverine slammed spiderman into a tree when he attempted to prevent him to leave or what happen in new son ect. (not refferring to sam at all)

Oh I agree with you then that the window event is irrelevant.

who do you think wins?

Spiderman wins.

Originally posted by SamZED
And Wolverine is so accurate with his claws he can perform bar mitzvah on a fly if he wanted to and Spider-man knows that. AND he believed Logan would never go for the stab, hence no need to worry about it.

No, he doesn't know a thing. Remember Dr Strange and Hellstorm scene?

A stab from adamantium blades is actually safer than a swipe when dealing with someone with so erratic moves (that are gonna get Parker killed sooner or later, as Cap said). Even with unintentional swipes Parker can get sliced in pieces. With stabs, Logan can control how deep his claws are gonna penetrate. He hurt Puny Pete too much by an accident, but still he didn't sink his claws all the way in. Now imagine a mistake with a swipe...

"Sorry webs, had no idea you would follow up that move with a backflip kick and I sorta-kinda cut your damn leg off. Stuff happens, now grow up and get me a beer."

😛

Originally posted by Starscream M
Oh I agree with you then that the window event is irrelevant.

who do you think wins?

Hmm I bet spiderman could heal reattached limbs.

Originally posted by Mindset
Hmm I bet spiderman could heal reattached limbs.

Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Im not sure, to be honest, im leaning towards spiderman at the moment if he fights smart, but im iffy.

i may quote you on this and place it under my sig 😛