Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
Yes and? How is that irrelevent to ally in ally base randomly attacking him based off a joke with his guard down? Have you even read the issue in question? In the next pannel wolverine walks by the window and says "no one can take a joke".He clearly did no expect spiderman to grab him and throw him out a window.
He was making a joke, like he stated on pannel. Which peter done repeatedly to wolverine, who never randomly assaulted him.
never said you did, I said the evidence your trying to pass off, is not evidence of anything, and it sad your attempting to make it as such. Wolverine has done worse to spiderman in similar circumstance, but you don't see any wolverine support bring it up.
Issue was 14 I believe or 15. However I was not talking about the fight, I was talking about when Spiderman flipped his shit and went at Wolverine who just allowed Spiderman to beat on him becuase he felt bad for stabbing him.
lol
i know what you mean but i don't feel it's really believable that wolverine has never once countered a surprise attack. My point in a nutshell is simply that peter was walking through through him and kept walking past. The way they made this "window Incident" look (IMO)was as if you or me were walking past a trash can and tossed a piece of trash away with little to no effort. But like i said the actual throwing was not shown so it's hard to really tell. Also this was all me interpenetrating what i thought C-Master had meant anyways.
ahh i c...I was actually speaking of the fight.
Originally posted by Dum Dum DuganI dont think Logan was suprised. He wasnt simply teasing, he was pretty much provoking Pete. Pushing and pushing to see how long before he snaps. Their relationship was pretty tense at the time. And while its true you're fighting on a sparring, there's no way you'd expect anything like that to happen. That's why I think they both aren't the best examples.
Honestly think there a huge difference between a sparing match and the window incident. At least in the sparing match your fighting. WIndow incident was one guy flipping out and attacking unprepared opponent. Window incident is much more akin to the woods incident when Wolverine slammed Spiderman into the tree during the wendigo arc in my opinion.
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWHavent you heard of term "taken by surprise"? Pete didnt believe Logan would actually go ahead and try to stab him with adamantium claws during a TRAINING sparring. That makes a HUGE difference. So if you wanna count this you might as well count the window thing. Logan knew what he was doing and what might happen when he provoked Pete.
Wolverine one is, because Spidey was actually trying to evade him then.Just because it was a sparring doesn't mean he was holding back his "dodging ability", for God's sake.
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
And wolverine was?
no no definitely not but on previous pages i even credited wolverine for the stab but noted that if wolverine had no claws in that incident it would have turned out differently considering wolverine did nothing in retaliation except for the for-mentioned stab.
im heading home...i'll post more in a little bit lol
Originally posted by SamZED
Havent you heard of term "taken by surprise"? Pete didnt believe Logan would actually go ahead and try to stab him with adamantium claws during a TRAINING sparring. That makes a HUGE difference. So if you wanna count this you might as well count the window thing. Logan knew what he was doing and what might happen when he provoked Pete.
He didn't believe...? 😕
Logan leaped at him with claws out few panels before that. Parker smashed him against the wall with his webs, did he actually think Logan would calm down if he did that? 🤨
Originally posted by StiltmanFTWThe whole crew was suprised of Wolverines stupidity to stab a team mate.
He didn't believe...? 😕Logan leaped at him with claws out few panels before that. Parker smashed him against the wall with his webs, did he actually think Logan would calm down if he did that? 🤨
Originally posted by StiltmanFTW"I can't believe you stabbed me", "you'd never stab me" need I go on? Wolverine always jumps with his claws, doesnt mean he goes for the kill every time. And Spider-man despite their difference really did not think Logan would ever do that. Not on a sparring that is.
He didn't believe...? 😕Logan leaped at him with claws out few panels before that. Parker smashed him against the wall with his webs, did he actually think Logan would calm down if he did that? 🤨
Originally posted by SamZED
I dont think Logan was suprised. He wasnt simply teasing, he was pretty much provoking Pete. Pushing and pushing to see how long before he snaps. Their relationship was pretty tense at the time. And while its true you're fighting on a sparring, there's no way you'd expect anything like that to happen. That's why I think they both aren't the best examples.
There is huge leaps and bounds between the window incident and the sparing match, and I not even sure how one could debate that.
Also through out that entire arc, it was spiderman talking shit to wolverine, not the other way around. That was pretty much the only thing wolverine said to spiderman.
Originally posted by Parmaniac
The whole crew was suprised of Wolverines stupidity to stab a team mate.
And what was he supposed to do with his claws, beat Parker with the flat of the blades...? Silver Samurai style?
He still held back. Could have cut him in half or at least cut out the major organs... or simply penetrate him deeper 😮
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
i know what you mean but i don't feel it's really believable that wolverine has never once countered a surprise attack.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
My point in a nutshell is simply that peter was walking through through him and kept walking past. The way they made this "window Incident" look (IMO)was as if you or me were walking past a trash can and tossed a piece of trash away with little to no effort. But like i said the actual throwing was not shown so it's hard to really tell. Also this was all me interpenetrating what i thought C-Master had meant anyways.
Yes and? Again how does that go against the fact WOlverine was taken by surprised by a teammate.....also how much do you think 300 pounds is to spiderman?
Originally posted by SamZED
"I can't believe you stabbed me", "you'd never stab me" need I go on? Wolverine always jumps with his claws, doesnt mean he goes for the kill every time. And Spider-man despite their difference really did not think Logan would ever do that. Not on a sparring that is.
You realize that an accidental move of his hand can kill someone like Spidey, right? So he has to be cautious all the time, even during a freakin sparring session 😬
Originally posted by Dum Dum Dugan
He has, many times, but again how is that relevent here?Yes and? Again how does that go against the fact WOlverine was taken by surprised by a teammate.....also how much do you think 300 pounds is to spiderman?
it's relevant because if he has shown the ability to react fast enough to counter a surprise attacks in the past why could he not counter spider-man?
the weight and surprise wasn't the point. the point was how much effort would you expect you would need to just toss a piece of trash. normally(for me at least) im not even really thinking about it. that's how little effort it takes. Im not saying pete wasn't thinking about it but the way it was portrayed was as just that. when i read that, it came off to me like pete put little to no effort into that attack.
so taking that wolvie was off guard and pete was putting no effort into it.....then it would not be to far off in saying that peter putting thought and effort into it would have resulted the same even if wolverine would have been on guard. That argument can be taken with a grain of salt though because of other feats by both characters.
as to your question 300lb? considering as much as he has lifted and held up...not to mention his weight class would suggest 300lbs is something he would be lifting with 2 fingers. making my analogy pretty right on imo....
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
it's relevant because if he has shown the ability to react fast enough to counter a surprise attacks in the past why could he not counter spider-man?
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
the weight and surprise wasn't the point. the point was how much effort would you expect you would need to just toss a piece of trash. normally(for me at least) im not even really thinking about it. that's how little effort it takes. Im not saying pete wasn't thinking about it but the way it was portrayed was as just that. when i read that it came off to me like pete put little to no effort into that attack.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
so taking that wolvie was off guard and pete was putting no effort into it.....then it would not be to far off in saying that peter putting thought and effort into it would have resulted the same even if wolverine would have been on guard.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
That argument can be taken with a grain of salt though because of other feats by both characters.
Originally posted by BlackZero30x
as to your question 300lb? considering as much as he has lifted and held up...not to mention his weight class would suggest 300lbs is something he would be lifting with 2 fingers. making my analogy pretty right on imo....
Honestly read your arguements, your contradict yourself.
