Originally posted by namorsubby
you need to quit purposely insinuating false meanings and actually give a reason why you think the way you do concerning this matchup. In other words, actually debate.This is a perfect example of what someone who is fanatical about a character would do. I oppose your opinion, so instead of providing some form of evidence against me on your behalf, you dream up false implications just to annoy me. I know cap. I dont comment or make vs matches for characters that i dont know. Being shown scans doesnt mean that i dont know a character. Just because i say i can make a thread doesnt mean that im claiming to have every issue hes appeared in.But of course you know that. Youre justing being a clown.
The argument has already been made, numerous times across numerous threads. This isn't even the first Captain America v Deathstroke thread of the year on KMC. What it comes down to is this. They are physically virtually mirror images of each other, but Captain America is significantly more skilled.
Lol, just what i was saying. Hes a clown that makes me laugh......which is good. Youre a slighty more belligerent that just annoys me......not good.
Anywho, i guess ill attempt to "rerail" that which has been purposely been derailed.
Id go with Slade due to his physical superiorty and only slight skill disadvantage. He is clearly superior to The elite peak humans of DC, hence the casual beatings he has given them. He is clearly meta, due to his HF which renders him immortal, his instantaneous reflexes, his senses which are increased 1000 fold according to him, and his strength, which is equal to that of 20 men. Cap, not so much. If anyone disagrees, that is fine. That does not mean you have to exercise your frustratin upon me. Instead, you could to debate, if you wish, or you could simply put "cap ftw".
SLADE FTW
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yes, they are a mirror image physically.......minus the healing factor, senses, reflexes, etc.
What makes you think Captain America has the stat disadvantage?
I've seen someone literally go feat for feat on another board, completely disproving any stat edge for Deathstroke. The two characters are out of my comfort zone but I've seen enough to feel comfortable in claiming that the two are pretty much physical equals.
So, question to Cap supporters. Do you really, truthfully see Cap being able to tool Batman with the ease that Deathstroke has in the past? Do you truly believe that Cap would have the luxury to treat Batman like an annoying pest?
Because I can give two shits if Cap has lifted more when we have a direct comparison with Slade trouncing someone who is to any reasonable person a peer to Cap. Someone (Batman) who has comparable feats in most areas to Cap, someone who's higher end WTF showings (which I think personally we should just leave out) are superior to Cap's.
Exactly what I wwas saying to begin with^. If you believe slade loses to cap when hes straight up handled bruce despite his skill disadvantage, then you must believe steve could do so with even greater ease, right? Slade clearly physically superior to bruce as seen in their encounters, but steve is not whether you cite feats or their crossover encounters.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol, just what i was saying. Hes a clown that makes me laugh......which is good. Youre a slighty more belligerent that just annoys me......not good.Anywho, i guess ill attempt to "rerail" that which has been purposely been derailed.
Id go with Slade due to his physical superiorty and only slight skill disadvantage. He is clearly superior to The elite peak humans of DC, hence the casual beatings he has given them. He is clearly meta, due to his HF which renders him immortal, his instantaneous reflexes, his senses which are increased 1000 fold according to him, and his strength, which is equal to that of 20 men. Cap, not so much. If anyone disagrees, that is fine. That does not mean you have to exercise your frustratin upon me. Instead, you could to debate, if you wish, or you could simply put "cap ftw".
SLADE FTW
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yes, they are a mirror image physically.......minus the healing factor, senses, reflexes, etc.
You know Captain America has healed from a bullet wound to the head in like 15 minutes and his reflexes are also off the charts? The only thing you might be right about is senses, but while Steve might not have the same level of hearing or smell, and his vision might not be as acute, Captain America sees the world in slow motion, to the point that he can visually track bullets in flight... which more than balances the scales. His healing factor might not be as prominent as Slade's but it works just as fast, and there is little evidence - if any - to suggest that Slade's reflexes are faster.
And yes Omega Vision, Captain America would beat down Batman easier than Deathstroke does, and he wouldn't be hurting in the next issue either.
Slades HF is far superior.I honestly cant believe how you even try to pass caps off as comparable.
Slade senses are far superior and he also sees the world in slow motion.its in my thread.check it out.
Slade reflexes are instantaneous and obviously superior to caps via feats. Captain marvel, flashes, wonder woman, etc.
On top of all that slade can process a scenario much better, and given that he reacts quicker, that will be a huge advantage.
If you really believe cap could trounce bats in such a fashion or worse you are just plum crazy. Apparently the makers of their crossovers didnt share the same belief.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Slades HF is far superior.I honestly cant believe how you even try to pass caps off as comparable.
Slade senses are far superior and he also sees the world in slow motion.its in my thread.check it out.
Slade reflexes are instantaneous and obviously superior to caps via feats. Captain marvel, flashes, wonder woman, etc.
On top of all that slade can process a scenario much better, and given that he reacts quicker, that will be a huge advantage.If you really believe cap could trounce bats in such a fashion or worse you are just plum crazy. Apparently the makers of their crossovers didnt share the same belief.
Because Captain America's top end healing feast are comparable to Slades? Admittedly they aren't consistent, but in a scan war a person could make the case that Captain America heals just as fast as Slade. I'd give Slade the edge purely due to persistent use, but really neither of them heal fast nor consistently enough for it to be a notable advantage in a form match though anyway.
I'm aware. But there is a different between Captain America having a documented ability to see bullets in slow motion, and Winter Green's journal saying "Slade says he can even see faster!"
Slade hitting Flash, Wonder Woman and Captain Marvel Jr. is PIS on the same level of absurdity as Captain America one shotting the Hulk with a punch. Luckily the Flash spends most his time stupidly running into Deathstroke's attacks apposed to Slade actually hitting him (and depending on the writer the speed force increases the Flash's reaction time to match his speed, so he isn't constantly experiencing the world at the speed of light, making it theoretically possibly to get the better of him if he isn't going all out) so those can be explained away by Flash being a moron, but the Wonder Woman feat is just garbage. It's one of the reason idiots in the cross genre vs thread were arguing that characters from Bleach could beat Wonder Woman, because she didn't have any actually combat speed feats and could only fly at superspeed.
Slade doesn't react faster than Captain America. It has been said that Slade has "instantaneous reflexes," but what does that even mean? It means there is no lag (well lets say virtually no lag, because none would be an impossibility), between his thought and physical reaction. Which means he reacts at the speed of thought... which is something that has been said of Captain America.... and Batman... and Daredevil... and virtually every noteworthy street level character. No obviously there is a level of ambiguity because both Slade and Captain America's thought process is significantly faster than a normal human. So we are left with an ambiguous and unquantifiable statistic. Captain America however has been stated to have 2-3x the speed and reflexes of Bucky Barnes, who is pushing peak human, which isn't ambiguous at all.
Makers of Marvel vs DC crossovers also thought that Spider-man could fight Superboy and Wolverine could beat Lobo. Batman stalemating Captain America is almost as absurd. There is a reason they aren't canon.
Lol your HF arguement is laughable. Name another cap hf feat besides the one you already did thats on the same level as what slade has done several times. The guy is immortal because of his hf, while cap died from gunshots and youre really sitting here trying to compare them.you say slade doesnt heal fast but he has on several occasions immediately visibly healed after being cut. To suggest caps hf is anywhere near as potent or as fast as slades is just plain ridiculous.
They both see in slow motion. Cap has no advantage there.period
Those instances arent pis when youve already been stated to have instantaneous reflexes.trying to use real world concepts to explain it away is silly.His reaction feats are betters and he is stated to be better. End of story.
Say what you wish, but there is simply no reason at all why anyone should believe that cap could casually and very easily beat batman. Not feats, not their own encounters. Not anything. Although there is a reason you should believe slade can.......because he has.
Originally posted by namorsubby
Lol your HF arguement is laughable. Name another cap hf feat besides the one you already did thats on the same level as what slade has done several times. The guy is immortal because of his hf, while cap died from gunshots and youre really sitting here trying to compare the.you say slade doesnt heal fast but he has on several occasions immediately visibly healed after being cutThey both see in slow motion. Cap has no advantage there.period
Those instances arent pis when youve already been stated to have instantaneous reflexes.trying to use real world concepts to explain it away is silly.His reaction feats are betters and he is stated to be better. End of story.
Say what you wish, but there is simply no reason at all why anyone should believe that cap could casually and very easily beat batman. Not feats, not their own encounters. Not anything. Although there is a reason you should believe slade can.......because he has.
Captain America was also shot up once by machine gun fire while he was in his civies, which completely leveled his car, and he was fine. He took out the shooters with half a dozen rounds in his chest and went to SHIELD for a debriefing. Remind me... what happened when Deadshot filled Deathstroke with bullets? 😎
Captain America can see bullets in slow motion. That gives us an idea of just how much faster he sees the world then a normal human would. Slade has no such measuring stick documented, assuming the abilities are equal is just further documentation of your bias.
The speed of thought is 150mph. Even if his thought process was 1000 times faster than a normal human (and it isn't its only around 10x), Slade's instantaneous reflexes would be no where near fast enough to allow him to tag any one of those characters. It's PIS.
There is plenty of reason to believe that Captain America could causally beat Batman... it's called his complete history. Fanboys love to delude themselves into thinking that Batman and Captain America are equals, that there is little in the way of difference between the two of them... but that simply isn't the case. Captain America is a super soldier. He can run 60mph while carrying a grown man. He can stop a car dead in its tracks by grabbing it and anchoring himself. He can see bullets in slow motion. He can walk around with a telephone pole causally slung over one shoulder. He out runs bullets and has the strength of a platoon of soldiers. Captain America is Batman in the body of Deathstroke. Captain America would steam role Batman, anyone who can be impartial should be able to see that. I'm Canadian... I don't even like Captain America that much, and even I know he can beat Batman. No one is going to come to your house at take away your Batman bedsheets and break your action figures, because you were able to put aside your bias for ten seconds.