CISless Zoom vs Odin

Originally posted by Silent Master
No he can't, in fact the scan has already been posted where it shows punching that fast actually decreases the power of the punch.

For zoom to punch faster than the speed of light would yield less power than for him to punch slower (but close) to the speed of light. All Zoom had to do is slow his punches down at the moment of impact to a speed very close to light speed. He can do this by simply punching real fast (faster than light) and then when his fist is a millimeter away slow it down to just under the speed of light. This would have easily produced more power in the punch.

Zoom could have killed her with just a snap of his fingers.

Why would Zoom perform millions of punches that did nothing vs. just one punch that hits harder than Superman?

Because of CIS

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Originally posted by h1a8
The scan didn't show that. It showed that Zoom was limited by CIS and thus caused himself to punch with less power.

For zoom to punch faster than the speed of light would yield less power than for him to punch slower (but close) to the speed of light. All Zoom had to do is slow his punches down at the moment of impact to a speed very close to light speed. He can do this by simply punching real fast (faster than light) and then when his fist is a millimeter away slow it down to just under the speed of light. This would have easily produced more power in the punch.

There was no mention of Zoom slowing the punches down just before they hit...what the comic showed was that the faster he throws the punches, the less power they had.

Zoom's CIS also doesn't want him to lose and wind up dead or unconscious as if that happens he can't make heroes "better". He's not above knocking someone out if he feels it benefits them or killing someone to better someone else. Pretty sure Zoom was actively trying to put down PG with his fists.

Which he obviously couldn't under the first million or so.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Zoom's CIS also doesn't want him to lose and wind up dead or unconscious as if that happens he can't make heroes "better". He's not above knocking someone out if he feels it benefits them or killing someone to better someone else. Pretty sure Zoom was actively trying to put down PG with his fists.

Which he obviously couldn't under the first million or so.

CIS also implies BEING DUMB. Characters in comics fight dumb some of the time. Glads tries to take Hulk to space instead of simply throwing him there or just punching him there (like blue marvel did against Sentry).
It is clear that Zoom can hit with punches harder than Superman as he has shown it before. The fact that he didn't take advantage of relativity means that he didn't think of it at the time.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Zoom's CIS also doesn't want him to lose and wind up dead or unconscious as if that happens he can't make heroes "better". He's not above knocking someone out if he feels it benefits them or killing someone to better someone else. Pretty sure Zoom was actively trying to put down PG with his fists.

Which he obviously couldn't under the first million or so.

Which just proves that he couldn't, not that his punches have some kind of unique property associated with them that doesn't apply to anyone else, unless his punches are all sissy slaps...

Either he has the feats to prove the Power Girl thing is a lower end showing, or he doesn't in which case this fight with Odin is a joke (But lets be honest, even if he could beat Power Girl with one punch it's still a joke..)

Originally posted by h1a8
CIS also implies BEING DUMB. Characters in comics fight dumb some of the time. Glads tries to take Hulk to space instead of simply throwing him there or just punching him there (like blue marvel did against Sentry).
It is clear that Zoom can hit with punches harder than Superman as he has shown it before. The fact that he didn't take advantage of relativity means that he didn't think of it at the time.

Zoom wasn't fighting dumb in the PG fight, he clearly threw "millions" of punches....it's just too bad that doing so causes the punches to be rather weak.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Zoom wasn't fighting dumb in the PG fight, he clearly threw "millions" of punches....it's just too bad that doing so causes the punches to be rather weak.

Why would Zoom choose a million punches that don't do anything vs. less punches (or equal punches) that are Superman level or beyond? Is it because of CIS?

Originally posted by h1a8
Great way to ignore my point. I said that Zoom could have slowed each punch to that shy of the speed of light right before impact. That way he could have thrown a million Superman level or greater punches.

Why would Zoom choose a million punches that don't do anything vs. less punches (or equal punches) that are Superman level or beyond? Is it because of CIS?

The comic made no mention of Zoom slowing down the punches, which means according to the comic.....throwing that many punches makes them weaker.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Zoom wasn't fighting dumb in the PG fight, he clearly threw "millions" of punches....it's just too bad that doing so causes the punches to be rather weak.

If he could cause that much more damage from a single punch, even attempting a blitz is stupid. He'd be better off measuring his punches.

But I still call PIS on the Power Girl scan, and bs on his punches going from Superman level to sissy slaps.

It'd be pure CIS for him to even make an attempt, if that was a "real" weakness and not just a way to rationalize a low end..

The comics clearly show that blitzing lowers the power behind his punches...therefore him blitzing is CIS....which means he won't be blitzing Odin, since CIS is off for this thread.

Odin wins.

Ok, so Zoom's equal to the speed of light punches which are > Superman's blows is his main offense then as blitzing clearly lessens his damage output?

Odin wins. He reacted to Forsung while battling across the entire universe, which entails far faster than light movement and combat speed than the Zoom/WW scan.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The comic made no mention of Zoom slowing down the punches, which means according to the comic.....throwing that many punches makes them weaker.

Originally posted by Silent Master
The comics clearly show that blitzing lowers the power behind his punches...therefore him blitzing is CIS....which means he won't be blitzing Odin, since CIS is off for this thread.

Odin wins.

How do the comics show this? Because they fail to defeat a character with a blitz?

That makes no more sense then assuming because Doomsday can keep up with Superman in a fight, he must be as fast as Superman.. Comics are full of PIS. Spidey survives getting hit by Hulk, so logically Hulk must not be hitting that hard, or Spidey must be that tough? Nonsense.

Zoom using single attacks = Superman level, Zoom blitzes = way below Superman level.

Thus according to the comics, blitzing lowers Zoom's attack power.

Originally posted by JakeTheBank
Ok, so Zoom's equal to the speed of light punches which are > Superman's blows is his main offense then as blitzing clearly lessens his damage output?

Odin wins. He reacted to Forsung while battling across the entire universe, which entails far faster than light movement and combat speed than the Zoom/WW scan.

Also, Odin battling someone in space doesn't mean he has light speed reflexes.

I can travel to the sun from Earth at light speed with only human reflexes and still be able to react to avoid hitting the sun.

Lastly, Zoom doesn't have to use relativity to hit with Superman level punches. He can simply just use speeds in far excess of that of light.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Zoom using single attacks = Superman level, Zoom blitzes = way below Superman level.

Thus according to the comics, blitzing lowers Zoom's attack power.

Spiderman blitzing = herald level punches, since he beat Firelord.

Flawless logic.

Originally posted by cdtm
Spiderman blitzing = herald level punches, since he beat Firelord.

Flawless logic.

There are plenty of examples to show that Spider-man's punches aren't herald level....do you have plenty of examples of Zoom blitzing with Superman level punches?

Originally posted by cdtm
Spiderman blitzing = herald level punches, since he beat Firelord.

Flawless logic.

Not the same. At all, really.

Originally posted by Silent Master
Zoom using single attacks = Superman level, Zoom blitzes = way below Superman level.

Thus according to the comics, blitzing lowers Zoom's attack power.

Clearly punching shy of the speed of light yields a harder punch than twice the speed of light. But this has nothing to do with punching faster than light and then less than the speed of light right before impact.

Also punching far faster than the speed of light can yield the same power as punching just under the speed of light.

Like ct said, PIS and CIS plays a role in comics. Hulk hitting Spider-man and Spidey being ok doesn't mean that Hulk hits very weak. It simply means that Hulk limited his punch due to CIS or it was simply PIS.