Originally posted by Batman-Prime
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From Galans Respect thread.
Well, you proved that he can either throw a Superman level punch or a few millions very low level punches.
However, I asked for proof that he could throw a millions of Superman level punches.
Originally posted by Silent MasterAn attosecond to a second is the same as a second to 31.71 billion years. That means in one second Zoom can throw 31.71 billion years worth of punches at any power he wants. So if he wants to throw a punch a day then he would still throw over 31 billion punches before the second is over.
Well, you proved that he can either throw a Superman level punch or a few millions very low level punches.However, I asked for proof that he could throw a millions of Superman level punches.
Originally posted by h1a8
With these stipulations then only 1.
One Superman level punch isn't going to be enough
Originally posted by h1a8
An attosecond to a second is the same as a second to 31.71 billion years. That means in one second Zoom can throw 31.71 billion years worth of punches at any power he wants. So if he wants to throw a punch a day then he would still throw over 31 billion punches before the second is over.
And those punches couldn't even ko an Alt Powergirl.
Originally posted by h1a8So Zoom doesn't just beat Odin before he can react. He beats 31 billion Odins before any of them can react. Hell... actually, that's lowballing... after all, he still has one full year to take out each one.
An attosecond to a second is the same as a second to 31.71 billion years. That means in one second Zoom can throw 31.71 billion years worth of punches at any power he wants. So if he wants to throw a punch a day then he would still throw over 31 billion punches before the second is over.
Let's make it one day for each one. The number of punches you could throw in a day would be immense.
So he takes out 11 trillion Odins before any of them can react. Easily. Maybe the last one can react by that time.
Superb conclusion. 👆 How many Supermans does Zoom take out before they react?
Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Within reason. Of course someone saying "Flash drops the universe on someone in the first 5 seconds of battle" is over the top. Saying "Flash can't ko someone in the beginning of the match" is not. It is explained in the rules.I wouldn't argue Zoom doing that, but I was just saying based on his powers it isn't impossible just impractical.
I disagree. Since the (well at least the IMP) is allowed to do so without a negative effect on the body and follows the aforementioned theories. Well it picks and chooses which parts of the theory it wants to follow, but it does follow the "steadily increasing mass".
Which is why I said theoretically it is possible, but making it feasible in a match is another thing entirely.
And going at "C" and going much faster than "C" to one's will is a totally different story altogether.
no, actually it does NOT follow the steadily increasing mass--at least not as the real world would have it. because his mass would become near infinite and would actually REACH infinity and he wouldn't be able to MOVE. does zoom also have >>>superman strength to move this supposed infinite mass gain around? and no, it does not hold that the SF is what allows this because they are travelling below light speed, AND superman has also achieved it. therefore ANYONE in the dcu should be able to do so.
special relativity is most certainly NOT adhered to, therefore any conclusion you can draw from said (real world) theory is false and nonsensical. if you want to ahere to the 'comicbook version' of said theory, that's all well and good, and i can live with that, but ackowledge it as such and with that in mind do not make real world conclusions that are clearly nonsensical, based on the comicbook version of the theory.
real world theory does allow us to pick and choose which parts we can apply. ALL parts are applied, or it is NOT the theory. if it is NOT the actual theory any conclusions drawn based on it are at best abstract speculation NOT based on theory, but based on opinion alone, and at worst delusionary.
^^ I have no qualms about that, what I don't understand is why their hands or fist not get broken?
IF you throw a full speed punch at a brick wall, the force of the contact should break your hand.
Same way with flash or zoom. If they punch superman, the force of the contact could knock superman back but it should also demolish or vaporize the flash in the process.
Originally posted by h1a8
In the comics that explained the IMP. The closer one gets to the speed of light then the more power they can pack into a strike. It is based off special theory of relativity.
Too bad the comics show that Superman level is as high as it goes and it doesn't work for Zoom when blitzing.
Originally posted by Diesldude
^^ I have no qualms about that, what I don't understand is why their hands or fist not get broken?IF you throw a full speed punch at a brick wall, the force of the contact should break your hand.
Same way with flash or zoom. If they punch superman, the force of the contact could knock superman back but it should also demolish or vaporize the flash in the process.
The times are not the same and thus the relative velocities are not the same. Zoom can throw a punch in his time at 10mph but in their time it could be 99.9999999999999999999999999999999% of the speed of light.
hitting a brick wall at 10mph wouldn't do much damage.
Originally posted by OneDumbG0i think he has you ignore
So Zoom doesn't just beat Odin before he can react. He beats 31 billion Odins before any of them can react. Hell... actually, that's lowballing... after all, he still has one full year to take out each one.Let's make it one day for each one. The number of punches you could throw in a day would be immense.
So he takes out 11 trillion Odins before any of them can react. Easily. Maybe the last one can react by that time.
Superb conclusion. 👆 How many Supermans does Zoom take out before they react?
