CISless Zoom vs Odin

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So you think Odin is = Galactus or what?

Unlike some, yes, I think they're pretty much on the same level but that's irrelevant.

If you're giving Galactus such leniency because he once battled it out on some Galactic scale where Galaxies were destroyed, then you sure as hell better give Odin the same courtesy.

You could argue that Spider-Man would beat a Celestial straight up for all I care but you better apply the same line of thinking in a Spider-Man vs. Galactus thread.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Unlike some, yes, I think they're pretty much on the same level but that's irrelevant.

If you're giving Galactus such leniency because he once battled it out on some Galactic scale where Galaxies were destroyed, then you sure as hell better give Odin the same courtesy.

You could argue that Spider-Man would beat a Celestial straight up for all I care but you better apply the same line of thinking in a Spider-Man vs. Galactus thread.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
So you think Odin is = Galactus or what?

You didn't answer his question.

"Why" do you put Big G above Odin? Based on what showings?

It's impossible to compare feats without comparing feats...

I do know they both have feats involving galaxies being destroyed.

Since when are they the same level? He's one of the few I've ever heard say this.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Unlike some, yes, I think they're pretty much on the same level but that's irrelevant.

If you're giving Galactus such leniency because he once battled it out on some Galactic scale where Galaxies were destroyed, then you sure as hell better give Odin the same courtesy.

You could argue that Spider-Man would beat a Celestial straight up for all I care but you better apply the same line of thinking in a Spider-Man vs. Galactus thread.

Not only that using forum ranking labels as a sticker of "across the board" to other characters is a fallacy. No two characters are the same, especially at that level. Spider-Man can beat some meta's but not others. You thinking they are the same level is very relevant which is why this has gone on. I don't find them to be the same level, so beyond that it is your own conjecture.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
That's your own grouping and ranking and applying it to me or any other member is a fallacy.

Not only that using forum ranking labels as a sticker of "across the board" to other characters is a fallacy. No two characters are the same, especially at that level. Spider-Man can beat some meta's but not others. You thinking they are the same level is very relevant which is why this has gone on. I don't find them to be the same level, so beyond that it is your own conjecture.

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I just told you that the way I rank them is completely irrelevant to the topic of discussion. You were the one who brought it up. It doesn't matter how we compare the two ourselves, at the moment all that matters are showings.

If you think Galactus is ten times more powerful than Odin I couldn't care less at the moment, just answer the question: Why do you think Zoom's punches would be so ineffective against Galactus? What feats led you to this decision?

Why would Odin ever be in Galactus' class? One character is more or less capable of killing celestials 1 on 1 another character gets fodderized by them in every appearance.

What a fallacious argument
Galactus isn't a god or this big guy with a helmet his true form is that of a star. If I were to make an argument without using any PIS/CIS it would always come down to Zoom needing to overload Galactus to beat him rather then physically assault him.

This is why you've been prolonging this thread because you have no argument in regards to Odin but can then play a game with another character you think but many others disagree is similar to Galactus.
Whatever Zoom would kill Odin and most of his techniques would be highly effective against him. These same offenses won't be as effective against Galactus because he can either outright ignore them or just come back from them unlike Odin.

Originally posted by SasuOna
Why would Odin ever be in Galactus' class? One character is more or less capable of killing celestials 1 on 1 another character gets fodderized by them in every appearance.

What a fallacious argument
Galactus isn't a god or this big guy with a helmet his true form is that of a star. If I were to make an argument without using any PIS/CIS it would always come down to Zoom needing to overload Galactus to beat him rather then physically assault him.

This is why you've been prolonging this thread because you have no argument in regards to Odin but can then play a game with another character you think but many others disagree is similar to Galactus.
Whatever Zoom would kill Odin and most of his techniques would be highly effective against him. These same offenses won't be as effective against Galactus because he can either outright ignore them or just come back from them unlike Odin.

I don't even know why I'm replying to this. I should just tell you to run back to Comicvine but whatever, I'm bored.

Don't bring up the Celestials, at the time, they'd have eaten Galactus alive as well.

I'm not sure you know when that word actually applies. Galactus can be knocked the f*ck out or killed just like every other physical entity. Punch him in the face with sufficient force and he'll go down. That argument is incredibly similar to the one you've been mocking others with. That Odin wins because he's a Skyfather.

Based on what feats do you see Galactus standing up to an onslaught from Zoom?

What techniques do you see working on Odin and failing on Galactus?

And like I said in an earlier post, these are the criteria you set out that support Odin losing to Zoom:

Originally posted by SasuOna
Can Odin survive getting punched nonstop from Supes for a day? Nope
Can Zoom replicate that type of feat based on his powerset instantly? Yes
Can Odin get an attack off before he is killed? No

Unfortunately, there really isn't any disparity in feats to support Galactus fairing any better than Odin. Not unless you start using double standards.

I don't really give a shit if you're stupid enough to think Zoom beats Odin, but you don't get to cherry pick.

I'm using a double standard? Nah you just seem to think Galactus for whatever reason is as weak as Odin.

I really don't think you even know the level of downplaying your doing by saying Galactus gets owned physically all the time like that's his standard(the same can't be said for Odin). One Celestial would be enough to fodderize Odin consistently while Galactus can kill one by himself with his own power easily.

Galactus getting hurt by any physical attack throughout his history goes hand in hand with him being weak as hell due to not feeding or a serious amount of PIS being present.
Thor throwing mjolnir and hurting Galactus he was weak as hell due to not feeding
Ben Grimm punching Galactus and giving him pause same reason

Hell the only time you should have to take a physical attack hurting him seriously is when hes fighting people on his own level like abraxas or The in betweener.

Odin and Galactus do not occupy the same tier Rage there is a big gap between their powers. What Zoom would be able to do to beat Odin wouldn't apply to Galactus. You not understanding this or just ignoring this is just your usual way of skirting around the issue of you not even beginning to have an argument for Odin that doesn't go along the lines of "hes a skyfather"

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
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I just told you that the way I rank them is completely irrelevant to the topic of discussion. You were the one who brought it up. It doesn't matter how we compare the two ourselves, at the moment all that matters are showings.

If you think Galactus is ten times more powerful than Odin I couldn't care less at the moment, just answer the question: Why do you think Zoom's punches would be so ineffective against Galactus? What feats led you to this decision?

Is Zoom immortal?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
You just pointed out that Galactus could take out Zoom with a Galactic level attack. I'm assuming you know Odin is capable of very much the same?

I think Odin is more durable than a hungry Galactus. Or at least a starving Galactus.

Based on your post, I assume that Odin withstanding Galactic level forces in battle with his opponents is sufficient evidence to support Zoom doing pretty much nothing to him, otherwise you wouldn't hold Galactus in such high esteem. So, I guess iyo, an Odin in his full powered form would easily dismiss Zoom based on his battles with Forsung, Seth and what not.

During Waid's run when he time traveled to save creation.

Yes but not like Galactus, not with the same power and not with the same radius (coverage of the whole area). And he would, unlike Galactus feel Zoom hits before he could use a blast.

So you think that Odin is more durable then a hungry Galactus or at leat a starving Galactus. So he should be at least the equal of a hungry Galactus, yes?
So in other words, Thor should be able to defeat his father (supposed he doesn't mess with Mjolnir)? And any other Herald, Sentry, Superman, Gladiator, BRB etc. should be able to defeat a hungry or starving Galactus or/and Odin? 😕

No Galactus taking physical punishment from herlads and amped Skyfathers (like Chaos-King amped Zeus), with ease most of the time, gives me the impression that he can take Zooms blows long long enough to take notice and react. Except of this, I unlike you, don't think that Odin is Galactus equal, not even durability wise. I do think that Glactus is as far beyond Odin as Odin is over a low heralds. Odin is just a mere Skyfather. Galactus imho can take more and resist more damage then Odin, especially physical, to give him an auto win against a speedster with Superman-level punches for sure, even if he isn't allowed to mess with the time, only by using his own reaction speed.

And Zoom wouldn't face a starvin Galactus right?

Originally posted by bbrem123
read a comic

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Did. Most likely before you were even born 🙂.

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o man u got me there...i concede...zoom combos odin to ko then proceeds to combo ko every other character in marvel and dc in less then a second...it all makes sense to me now...what was i ever thinking

thanks for getting me to see the light

Originally posted by bbrem123
o man u got me there...i concede...zoom combos odin to ko then proceeds to combo ko every other character in marvel and dc in less then a second...it all makes sense to me now...what was i ever thinking

thanks for getting me to see the light

facepalmfacepalm2

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Yes but not like Galactus, not with the same power and not with the same radius (coverage of the whole area). And he would, unlike Galactus feel Zoom hits before he could use a blast.

You said that Galactus could take out Zoom with a Galaxy level attack:

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
react with an omni-directional attack that engulfs the entire galaxy, enough to hit Zoom.

What’s the problem here?

What durability feats do you feel support Galactus shrugging off Zoom’s hits?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
So you think that Odin is more durable then a hungry Galactus or at leat a starving Galactus. So he should be at least the equal of a hungry Galactus, yes?
So in other words, Thor should be able to defeat his father (supposed he doesn't mess with Mjolnir)? And any other Herald, Sentry, Superman, Gladiator, BRB etc. should be able to defeat a hungry or starving Galactus or/and Odin? 😕

I’m not really sure as to how you made the jump from one point to the next. Odin isn’t being defeated by any Heralds and would shrug off practically every regular assault from that tier –which a sufficiently hungry Galactus wouldn’t- but there are attacks far above the tier such as a God Blast which can at least noticeably hurt him.

This isn’t relevant to the topic so let’s stick to the discussion at hand. I don’t want another ten pages of pointless shit like the Gladiator thread. .

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
No Galactus taking physical punishment from herlads and amped Skyfathers (like Chaos-King amped Zeus), with ease most of the time, gives me the impression that he can take Zooms blows long long enough to take notice and react. Except of this, I unlike you, don't think that Odin is Galactus equal, not even durability wise. I do think that Glactus is as far beyond Odin as Odin is over a low heralds. Odin is just a mere Skyfather. Galactus imho can take more and resist more damage then Odin, especially physical, to give him an auto win against a speedster with Superman-level punches for sure, even if he isn't allowed to mess with the time, only by using his own reaction speed.

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So you think shrugging off an attack from Herald level entities etc. or surviving one from a Skyfather plus being is grounds for withstanding Zoom’s blows long enough to take notice and react?

Cool, that’s what I wanted to know from the beginning. At what threshold does a character meat your standards for beating Zoom.. I'm glad it's ignorance that drives you and not a lack of consistency.

Below Skyfather/Cosmic:
Annihilus.

Masterson Thor.

Surfer and Thanos.

Hela.

Skyfather/Cosmic:
Forsung.

Infinity.

Sutur.

Pantheon Amped Seth.

So I guess Odin wins iyo now. He has the durability feats to support withstanding Zoom's assault and the power to destroy a sufficient enough area to prevent escape.

I'm glad you had a change of heart. 👆

For future reference, when trying to argue that Galactus is leaps and bounds above Odin, don’t bring up the fight beatdown with Zeus.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
You brought up Galactus, and you're one of the only members who think this. I'm interested in hearing why.

I know. I can PM you the answer, for now, just answer the inquiry:

Why do you think Zoom's punches would be so ineffective against Galactus? What feats led you to this decision?

Edit: I'll deal with you later SausaOna. Going to bed.

For the record, Galactus didn't withstand Zeus' attack with "ease" Batman Prime, not by any stretch of the imagination:

^@lol Rage nice attempt at crippling my post and quoting only the parts that suit you best. As always. Different thread, the same game.

It was an one way blast, the surrounging was just fine. The collateral damage wasn't near him or controlled it seems, plenty of ways to avoid it alltogether. Galactus can do better then this.

The durability feats of Odin you show are mostly energy based attacks bored and nothing compared to the amped punch of Zeus for example, which did nothing, as seen in your scan, than anger Galactus. I also wrote "physical punishment", nice you ignore what you don't like 😉. The last time Thor hit Odin with Mjolnir, Odin seemed to feel it 😉. Zeus also felt Hulks blow for sure.
So yes, Galactus durability (and again) especially against physical attacks is better then Odins. And even against energy based attacks it is.
Galactus can also dish out more damage.

And Zoom would assault Galactus only with physical attacks, so.

As for the other Heralds. Yeah I know why you don't want to go into this. I will stay polite and don't say what you are, though you should know it best 😉.

Try something else then this BS 😂.

First, I agree with Rage's point that there is a BIT of a double standard going on here, in the end though, I don't believe Galactus and Odin are equals. That alone means that Galactus (by being more powerful alone) could beat Zoom, while Odin couldn't. Make no mistake though, I believe Odin wins and it would be pretty quick.

One thing Rage.. You said Odin has faced down people of the same level and Ilk.. I disagree with that... Galactus has faced T&A, Mephisto is his realm, In-Betweener, Celesials (and actually won) just to name a few. All these people are above ANYBODY Odin has ever faced let alone beat.

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
For the record, Galactus didn't withstand Zeus' attack with "ease" Batman Prime, not by any stretch of the imagination:

Imagine if Zeus would have followed up with another attack on Galactus. That one attack dropped him.