CISless Zoom vs Odin

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Zoom should take Galactus according to your arguments as I understand them. A million Quintillion -or whatever large number you want- of stronger-than-Superman level punches to the dome would take Galactus out.

Remember Wally's highest showing that you argued in favor of? The one with the Anti-Monitor? I see no reason why it shouldn't go the same way in your mind.

But whatever, I think the hypocrisy is evident enough at this point. For the record, I'm not really sure why you rate Galactus' durability that high up unless you aren't limiting showings to punching.

I say he can as apparently solid evidence isn't a necessity in this thread. We've seen Odin turn a mortal into a super speeding God with ease and taking into account that the Odin Force is like a lower scale Cosmic Cube, it should be well within his abilities.

A Superman level punch by itself won't hurt Odin.

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=356855&pagenumber=38

You argued *Thor* beating average Galactus.... please. It's obvious what this really is about. Thor can beat up Galactus and since this is about Odin it is a personal thing. I never gave Zoom any majority and this whole argument is rehashed anyways, I don't know why you brought it up again.

Anyways, Uriel said it best I believe. If you are talking about jobberlactus, against a KMC Zoom then Zoom would do better, but if it is an all out KMC Galactus, then hell naw.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
The Pre-Crisis and CotiE times shouldn't be taken into account, as the people there are more then capable of hurting Skyfathers. Anyway.

Galactus durability should be >>>>> Odins. He should tank Superman-level punches for a much much much longer time, long enough to notice and react with an omni-directional attack that engulfs the entire galaxy, enough to hit Zoom. Zoom would have to hit on a non starving Galactus long enough to even get his attention.

I believe that Odin doesn't shares Galactus durability or stamina and would feel Superman-level blows, even consider them a threat.

Given the stips, now I think that Odin would lose this. But this isn't Odin at his best or a full-powered Odin, it's a crippled Odin who was made to lose against a Speedster like Zoom. Give him all his power, especially the time manip, and he wins this.

The only advice I can give you is to pick a comic and read up on both Galactus as well as Odin.

For the record, the scene I was referring to was Post Crisis.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Really?

http://www.killermovies.com/forums/showthread.php?threadid=356855&pagenumber=38

You argued *Thor* beating average Galactus.... please. It's obvious what this really is about. Thor can beat up Galactus and since this is about Odin it is a personal thing.

Anyways, Uriel said it best I believe. If you are talking about jobberlactus, against a KMC Zoom then Zoom would do better, but if it is an all out KMC Galactus, then hell now.

Can you elaborate as to what your point is? If you're arguing what I think you are, I'll tell you right now that I believe if we apply the logic you have, Odin would lose to Zoom but I also believe if we applied the same reasoning to Galan, he'd lose as well, along with a host of other entities. The reason I'm so focused on Galan however is because I don't think you'd do the same when it came to him, in short, I think cherry picking and a lack of consistency would be the result which is just an acceptable I'm sorry to say.

You take a stance, stick to it, apply iy across the board and follow it to the logical conclusion. Has Odin ever shown reflexes to react to Zoom? No. Can Odin withstand a billion quintillion or whatever stronger-than-Superman punches to the dome? No. But like I said, few have and can. Doesn't really help that the higher up the food chain you go, the less speed related showings you'd find.

That's not taking into account the double standards and leaps in logic such as assuming Zoom is capable of something he has never done and yet failing to give Odin the same amount of leniency.

For the record, if we consider an average Galactus to be a weakened or inhibited, then yes, Zoom would no doubt win imho. I think Superman could beat a sufficiently weakened Galan. At the moment however, unless mentioned otherwise, I try to debate a Galactus that is neither particularly fed Galactus or a weakened version. I think there is room for middle ground.

If I were to make a thread where Odin is no longer at base, I'd assume you would give him the conclusive win, no?

Side Question: How do you even remember a conversation from 3 years ago?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
The only advice I can give you is to pick a comic and read up on both Galactus as well as Odin.

For the record, the scene I was referring to was Post Crisis.

I think I know enough. But what can Odin do to Zoom without time manip?
And do you honestly think that Odins durability is greater then Galactus? Do you think Odin can tank more Superman-level punches then Big G?

What scene?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I think I know enough. But what can Odin do to Zoom without time manip?
And do you honestly think that Odins durability is greater then Galactus? Do you think Odin can tank more Superman-level punches then Big G?

What scene?

No Herald should be able to defeat Galactus. They should all still be insects to him. A weakened Galactus blew up a solar system out of rage. A weakened Galactus is still above skyfather imo.

Originally posted by carver9
No Herald should be able to defeat Galactus. They should all still be insects to him. A weakened Galactus blew up a solar system out of rage. A weakened Galactus is still above skyfather imo.

Should. But as Rages scans proved in this old thread. Thor defeated Galactus 😉.

anyone who says zoom beats galactus or odin is a joke....that is all

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Can you elaborate as to what your point is? If you're arguing what I think you are, I'll tell you right now that I believe if we apply the logic you have, Odin would lose to Zoom but I also believe if we applied the same reasoning to Galan, he'd lose as well, along with a host of other entities. The reason I'm so focused on Galan however is because I don't think you'd do the same when it came to him, in short, I think cherry picking and a lack of consistency would be the result which is just an acceptable I'm sorry to say.

You take a stance, stick to it, apply iy across the board and follow it to the logical conclusion. Has Odin ever shown reflexes to react to Zoom? No. Can Odin withstand a billion quintillion or whatever stronger-than-Superman punches to the dome? No. But like I said, few have and can. Doesn't really help that the higher up the food chain you go, the less speed related showings you'd find.

That's not taking into account the double standards and leaps in logic such as assuming Zoom is capable of something he has never done and yet failing to give Odin the same amount of leniency.

For the record, if we consider an average Galactus to be a weakened or inhibited, then yes, Zoom would no doubt win imho. I think Superman could beat a sufficiently weakened Galan. At the moment however, unless mentioned otherwise, I try to debate a Galactus that is neither particularly fed Galactus or a weakened version. I think there is room for middle ground.

If I were to make a thread where Odin is no longer at base, I'd assume you would give him the conclusive win, no?

Side Question: How do you even remember a conversation from 3 years ago?

I remember everything. You clearly think he beats Galactus, so it shows what you think of Zoom and Odin.

What is Zoom capable of that he has never done? Odin isn't Galactus. Odin seems to be fast enough to react to Zoom, proof?

There are no contradictions here. You don't like that people think Zoom stands a chance against Odin. Yet it is ok for Thor to beat Galactus with one hit? Riiiight.

Come on superstar. You're better than this.

Oh and like I said, many have the power to beat Zoom. Strange does as well if he is amped. I made the Odin thread as a simple inquiry. It isn't like I said, "Zoom wins 111!!!!1shift".

Odin amped and shielded would win as would Strange. They have the power. Strange definitely isn't tough enough without it though, is Odin?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
I think I know enough. But what can Odin do to Zoom without time manip?
And do you honestly think that Odins durability is greater then Galactus? Do you think Odin can tank more Superman-level punches then Big G?

What scene?

You just pointed out that Galactus could take out Zoom with a Galactic level attack. I'm assuming you know Odin is capable of very much the same?

I think Odin is more durable than a hungry Galactus. Or at least a starving Galactus.

Based on your post, I assume that Odin withstanding Galactic level forces in battle with his opponents is sufficient evidence to support Zoom doing pretty much nothing to him, otherwise you wouldn't hold Galactus in such high esteem. So, I guess iyo, an Odin in his full powered form would easily dismiss Zoom based on his battles with Forsung, Seth and what not.

During Waid's run when he time traveled to save creation.

Originally posted by bbrem123
anyone who says zoom beats galactus or odin is a joke....that is all

omg

Read the stips.

Odin =/= Galactus

dur

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
I remember everything. You clearly think he beats Galactus, so it shows what you think of Zoom and Odin.

What is Zoom capable of that he has never done? Odin isn't Galactus. Odin seems to be fast enough to react to Zoom, proof?

There are no contradictions here. You don't like that people think Zoom stands a chance against Odin. Yet it is ok for Thor to beat Galactus with one hit? Riiiight.

Come on superstar. You're better than this.

Yes, I think Thor could definitely beat a weakened Galactus. Deprived of a sufficient amount of energy, and even regular High Herald attacks can affect him. That isn't exactly news and I'm unsure as to how that reflects on the other characters.

What people have been saying repeatedly through the thread. Have you not been keeping up with the discussion? No he isn't. There isn't any, but the same can be said for Eternity which is something I highly doubt you'd ever admit which is what I have a problem with.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Of course I don't like it. I'm biased when it comes to Odin and Thor but I'm doing my best to approach this objectively. If we apply the logic you've been using, then yes, Odin would lose as I said, at least at base, but my major gripe is that you won't apply the same reasoning across the board. If you turned around and used the same logic consistently, I'd just laugh, insult your intelligence a bit and let it go.

Would Zoom beat a hungry Galactus?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Oh and like I said, many have the power to beat Zoom. Strange does as well if he is amped. I made the Odin thread as a simple inquiry. It isn't like I said, "Zoom wins 111!!!!1shift".

Odin amped and shielded would win as would Strange. They have the power. Strange definitely isn't tough enough without it though, is Odin?

What do you consider an amped Odin? Anything other than Odin at his base? Think of the All Father as a Super Saiyan. The version that we see is the base incarnation and he only goes up from there by accessing greater reserves of power. Stupid analogy but it fits I think.

Do you consider Odin being able to withstand attacks that cause Galaxy destroying shockwaves as sufficient evidence to stand up to Zoom's blitz?

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
Should. But as Rages scans proved in this old thread. Thor defeated Galactus 😉.

Originally posted by Batman-Prime
omg

Read the stips.

Odin =/= Galactus

dur

read a comic

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Originally posted by bbrem123
read a comic

/thread

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
Yes, I think Thor could definitely beat a weakened Galactus. Deprived of a sufficient amount of energy, and even regular High Herald attacks can affect him. That isn't exactly news and I'm unsure as to how that reflects on the other characters.

What people have been saying repeatedly through the thread. Have you not been keeping up with the discussion? No he isn't. There isn't any, but the same can be said for Eternity which is something I highly doubt you'd ever admit which is what I have a problem with.

Then you haven't been paying attention. Of course I don't like it. I'm biased when it comes to Odin and Thor but I'm doing my best to approach this objectively. If we apply the logic you've been using, then yes, Odin would lose as I said, at least at base, but my major gripe is that you won't apply the same reasoning across the board. If you turned around and used the same logic consistently, I'd just laugh, insult your intelligence a bit and let it go.

Would Zoom beat a hungry Galactus?

What do you consider an amped Odin? Anything other than Odin at his base? Think of the All Father as a Super Saiyan. The version that we see is the base incarnation and he only goes up from there by accessing greater reserves of power. Stupid analogy but it fits I think.

Do you consider Odin being able to withstand attacks that cause Galaxy destroying shockwaves as sufficient evidence to stand up to Zoom's blitz?

Long story short I just believe Galactus has the durability at a high level on KMC to eradicate Zoom before anything serious happens to him. I don't place Odin on that level of durability. Sorry pimp.

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Long story short I just believe Galactus has the durability at a high level on KMC to eradicate Zoom before anything serious happens to him. I don't place Odin on that level of durability. Sorry pimp.

But Odin at high level has been in fights that affected galaxies, hasn't he?

Originally posted by Tha C-Master
Long story short I just believe Galactus has the durability at a high level on KMC to eradicate Zoom before anything serious happens to him. I don't place Odin on that level of durability. Sorry pimp.

But why? What showings are you basing this on? Is it Galactus getting into battles with high end enemies?

If so, you have to give Odin the same amount of leniency as he has been in the same type of position battling out on a scale as impressive as anything Galactus has ever done.

Originally posted by Silent Master
But Odin at high level has been in fights that affected galaxies, hasn't he?

Zoom has the power to hurt Odin, does Odin have any proof of mounting a defense that fast?

Originally posted by Rage.Of.Olympus
But why? What showings are you basing this on? Is it Galactus getting into battles with high end enemies?

If so, you have to give Odin the same amount of leniency as he has been in the same type of position battling out on a scale as impressive as anything Galactus has ever done.